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Post by yellow CR on Feb 13, 2012 19:26:27 GMT -5
If you are running in any Stock Classes, Street Prepared Classes, Prepared Classes, or Street Mod Classes, but do not run on Hoosiers or other race tires, than Tire Class is for you.
Tire Class is a a PAX based class, giving you some great competition to test your merits as a driver. Also you will not have to compete against:
A: Yourself only.
B: Some guy on Hoosiers who you have no chance of beating.
If you are running in any ST class (STR, STS, STU, STX, STC & STF), you can NOT run in Tire Class. Your PAX is already calculated around street tires. You will have to run in your ST open class, which is NOT a PAX based class.
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Post by turtle8 on Feb 13, 2012 20:01:01 GMT -5
I am running EP on street tires, but the PAX numbers are such and my car is not built to the max of Prepared category rules, I would likely lose to an HS car if I ran in Tire class.
-Michael
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Post by yellow CR on Feb 13, 2012 20:34:39 GMT -5
I am running EP on street tires, but the PAX numbers are such and my car is not built to the max of Prepared category rules, I would likely lose to an HS car if I ran in Tire class. -Michael Mike, You will be much closer to that HS car than a well prepared EP car with Hoosiers. And almost all cars in Tire class are NOT prepared very much, so it is a pretty even playing field for all. |
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Post by lilgunny on Feb 13, 2012 22:04:51 GMT -5
I love it there. Lots of competition and no tire changes...lol
LilGunny
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Post by leetaylor92 on Feb 13, 2012 23:02:19 GMT -5
Really glad you posted this, looking forward to seeing how I fare in Tire with the Stang, possibly Red if something happens to the Ford.
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Post by cr89x on Feb 14, 2012 5:33:51 GMT -5
Good job Mike.
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Post by turtle8 on Feb 14, 2012 14:55:13 GMT -5
I'll keep an eye on Tire class registrations. There are many competitive cars signed up. In EP there is me and my Toyota Paseo with a road race 1980 Pinto.
I know autocross is all about having fun, but having no chance whatsoever of trophying ever, gets depressing. Been there done that in the Honda Civic class (also known as ST). I like a good competition, and last season in our area EP and XP were fun classes.
-Michael
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Post by srduck on Feb 14, 2012 15:03:41 GMT -5
I know autocross is all about having fun, but having no chance whatsoever of trophying ever, gets depressing. Been there done that in the Honda Civic class (also known as ST). I like a good competition, and last season in our area EP and XP were fun classes. Similarly, running alone in a class and taking home a trophy just for showing up seems boring too, which is why I decided to forego some of the mods I wanted to do that would throw me into CSP (where I didn't THINK there would be competition this year, but apparently there will be) and stick to STR where I know other people will run. I probably stand a snowball's chance in hell in either class, but I'm fairly certain STR will ALWAYS have cars to compete against! Still unwilling to swap in an open diff to go play in STS like some people wanted me to  |
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Post by markt on Feb 14, 2012 16:05:16 GMT -5
I know autocross is all about having fun, but having no chance whatsoever of trophying ever, gets depressing. Been there done that in the Honda Civic class (also known as ST). I like a good competition, and last season in our area EP and XP were fun classes. Similarly, running alone in a class and taking home a trophy just for showing up seems boring too, which is why I decided to forego some of the mods I wanted to do that would throw me into CSP (where I didn't THINK there would be competition this year, but apparently there will be) and stick to STR where I know other people will run. I probably stand a snowball's chance in hell in either class, but I'm fairly certain STR will ALWAYS have cars to compete against! Still unwilling to swap in an open diff to go play in STS like some people wanted me to I TOLD YOU I'd take that torsen off your hands and even throw in an open diff, axles, drive shaft and two, count 'em, TWO axle nuts to make the swap complete...geez, ya' try to help some people... ;D |
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Post by srduck on Feb 14, 2012 16:30:00 GMT -5
I TOLD YOU I'd take that torsen off your hands and even throw in an open diff, axles, drive shaft and two, count 'em, TWO axle nuts to make the swap complete...geez, ya' try to help some people... ;D Yeah, still not happening |
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Post by yellow CR on Feb 14, 2012 20:23:42 GMT -5
If STR never came to be, I would be running B Stock or BSP Tire right now.
I like getting a season out of a set of Star Specs.
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Post by SteveCouture on Feb 14, 2012 20:41:46 GMT -5
Question (from the peanut gallery): Can an individual accumulate season points in Tire class driving different cars in different base classes?
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Post by srduck on Feb 14, 2012 21:20:30 GMT -5
You should be able to. Tire class is tire class regardless of which base class you use, and I know there's a Tire Class champion at the end of the year. I drove 2 different cars in Novice class this season, which is a similar PAX class.... and I'm pretty sure Vanesssa drove several different cars on her way to a Ladies class win.
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Post by turtle8 on Feb 14, 2012 21:38:15 GMT -5
I love my season old, Taiwanese, 140 treadwear, Federal 595RSR that were about $75 ea new.
-Michael
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Post by cr89x on Feb 14, 2012 21:51:08 GMT -5
Question (from the peanut gallery): Can an individual accumulate season points in Tire class driving different cars in different base classes? Sure can. Just as The Duck stated, Vanessa ran numerous cars and classes in ladies last year. It's a PAX class so why not. |
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Post by lancer360 on Feb 14, 2012 23:30:52 GMT -5
I don't see why not. You can do the same in any class.
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Post by cr89x on Feb 15, 2012 5:48:44 GMT -5
Heck I did it one year in SSM. Whenever my car had problems I got in a car that was still legal for the class.
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Post by yellow CR on Feb 15, 2012 14:43:28 GMT -5
Question (from the peanut gallery): Can an individual accumulate season points in Tire class driving different cars in different base classes? Yes, If you have 10 different street tire cars, you can get points in each if you want. |
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Post by DaGou on Feb 15, 2012 16:12:32 GMT -5
Man this class "thang" is so confusing for someone who don't know nothing! Just joing SCCA and running by first event. Have a stock AP2 S2000 with cat back exhaust and a K&N low restriction intake(air box removed). Was advised to run STR, is that still the best way to go? As this year progress I plan on new non staggerd 17x9 with 255s on all four corners with some KW clubsports, improved oil and water cooing, larger sway bar in front, remove rear sway, a BBK and some minor chassy bracing. Can I do this and still say in STR all year?
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Post by cb7tuner on Feb 15, 2012 16:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by yellow CR on Feb 15, 2012 16:29:14 GMT -5
Man this class "thang" is so confusing for someone who don't know nothing! Just joing SCCA and running by first event. Have a stock AP2 S2000 with cat back exhaust and a K&N low restriction intake(air box removed). Was advised to run STR, is that still the best way to go? As this year progress I plan on new non staggerd 17x9 with 255s on all four corners with some KW clubsports, improved oil and water cooing, larger sway bar in front, remove rear sway, a BBK and some minor chassy bracing. Can I do this and still say in STR all year? You are in an STR car, just don't add the bracing, oil and water cooling. That will put you in another class like B Street Prepared. You have the tire size right on, 17X9 - 255's (either Dunlop Direzza Star Specs, or Hankook RS3) both are great tires and affordable. I have the best STR car in the club, so you are on the right track with what you want to do to the car in the future. But you should take off the rear sway bar today. The car will be much less twitchy and easier to drive without the rear sway bar. Talk to me this Saturday, and I can help you with any future mods that you should do to your S2000. |
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Post by stealthgtfour on Feb 15, 2012 20:24:11 GMT -5
I have the best STR car in the club, so you are on the right track with what you want to do to the car in the future. But you should take off the rear sway bar today. The car will be much less twitchy and easier to drive without the rear sway bar. a bit presumptuous there aren't we?  honestly you can run whatever you want in any class you want. if the other competitors fail to protest then you will still collect points and trophies as though your car were perfectly legal. that said i would have no issue with the cooling mods or the chassis bracing in str. they only make the car heavier which is typically a disadvantage in autocross. |
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Post by CoolGuy094 on Feb 15, 2012 20:44:25 GMT -5
Mike knows what it takes to set up an S2000 in STR. His advice combined with hundreds of hours on s2ki.com is what has gotten my S2000 to the setup it has today.
I tried soooo hard to keep my rear sway bar connected. I even downgraded to the softest bar of all S2000's (from the 2005). I guess if I was a better driver, I could control or use the oversteer to my advantage, but I think the rear bar is getting disconnected again for Saturday. The swap to non-staggered 255's has also pushed towards more rear bias and the car would benefit from the rear bar disconnect even more now. I think if I were tracking the car, the rear sway could stay on because the turns are more sweepers versus quick transitions like in autox.
You have a solid plan moving forward. Just keep doing your research and talk to as many S2000 vets you can.
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Post by DaGou on Feb 16, 2012 11:40:53 GMT -5
Thanks again guys cannot wait to talk to you all. I gotta drive 300 miles to and from the north to get there. With this weather I may not make it. Dont mine driving in rain and snow but the wife is not crazy about any of that or standing around all day while I make a fool of myself. We will see want the forecast is on Friday and make a move, I hope.
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Post by cr89x on Feb 16, 2012 12:59:18 GMT -5
I have the best STR car in the club, so you are on the right track with what you want to do to the car in the future. But you should take off the rear sway bar today. The car will be much less twitchy and easier to drive without the rear sway bar. a bit presumptuous there aren't we? My exact thoughts. He truly has the best STR car in CCR, but we are all unsure of the driver still. |
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Post by SteveCouture on Feb 16, 2012 14:41:34 GMT -5
I don't see why not. You can do the same in any class. That's what I'd expect, but I never want to ass-u-me anything. ;D Ok, another question: Is the tire class purely a PAX (RTP) class or is there an additional "street-tire modifier" used to adjust the index factor (I've seen .97 and .98 used sometimes). |
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Post by SteveCouture on Feb 16, 2012 14:46:12 GMT -5
Tire Class is a a PAX based class, giving you some great competition to test your merits as a driver. Also you will not have to compete against: A: Yourself only. B: Some guy on Hoosiers who you have no chance of beating. B: Some guy on Hoosiers who you have no chance of beating.  |
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Post by yellow CR on Feb 16, 2012 19:03:29 GMT -5
I don't see why not. You can do the same in any class. That's what I'd expect, but I never want to ass-u-me anything. ;D Ok, another question: Is the tire class purely a PAX (RTP) class or is there an additional "street-tire modifier" used to adjust the index factor (I've seen .97 and .98 used sometimes). Steve, Their is no modifier on the Tire class PAX. It is run off the base 2012 PAX numbers. |
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Post by uncoiled on Feb 16, 2012 23:47:11 GMT -5
So I am relatively new to auto-x and am registered to run this weekend, I have ran events before but not with the new tire class, I signed up for D Stock in Tire class, what do I need to put on the side of my car along with the numbers a T, or the DS?
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Post by z3elda on Feb 17, 2012 7:22:42 GMT -5
DST will be fine
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