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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 8, 2006 15:34:30 GMT -5
I just looked in the SOLO Stock class list that was posted seperate from the '06 rule book. The Cobra that was there today is in AS.
Here's the Mustang list:
Ford Mustang Cobra R not eligible for Stock
Ford Mustang Cobra SVT ('03+) A Stock (AS)
Ford Mustang in-line 6-cyl & 4-cyl / Mustang II 4-cyl & 6-cyl H Stock (HS)
Ford Mustang Mach 1 ('03+) F Stock (FS)
Ford Mustang V6 & Turbo 4-cyl (+ SVO) G Stock (GS)
Ford Mustang V6 ('05+) FasTrack 1/05 G Stock (GS)
Ford Mustang V8 ('05+) FasTrack 1/05 F Stock (FS)
Ford Mustang V8 NOC F Stock (FS)
Gotta love the ambiguous SCCA rulebook!
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 8, 2006 18:38:31 GMT -5
good to know for tomorrow if we have a repeat performance by the SVT.
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 8, 2006 18:48:42 GMT -5
I see on the entry list and 03 SVT is on the entry list in FS....
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 8, 2006 18:57:09 GMT -5
Well - He will just have to go through Tech again, won't he!
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Post by soloracer on Jul 8, 2006 19:57:41 GMT -5
Well - He will just have to go through Tech again, won't he! Brake out the body templates!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 8, 2006 20:17:57 GMT -5
Thar ya go. let's make sure it is a mustang!!!
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Post by slobra on Jul 8, 2006 20:28:02 GMT -5
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Post by slobra on Jul 8, 2006 20:29:27 GMT -5
And of course, I will continue to get beat in F Stock until this is figured out.
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 9, 2006 18:31:36 GMT -5
I just e-mailed Doug Gill for clarification.
As for getting beat, AS might be even worse!!
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 10, 2006 20:15:33 GMT -5
Official response from SCCA:
Hi, Rich,
The Ford Mustang Cobra SVT was re-classed to FS for 2006. The 2006 Solo Rules is the only official version and is also correct. My unofficial “cheat sheet” is incorrect – I must have missed it when I updated for 2006.
Sorry for any confusion. Hope this helps.
- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
P O Box 19400
Topeka, KS 66619-0400
1-800-770-2055
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Post by jbyrd on Jul 10, 2006 20:19:11 GMT -5
Crap! And I didn't buy the Ford cause I thought I was going to have to run in A Stock!!!!! :oDarnit! Darnit! Darnit! Darnit!  |
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 10, 2006 20:47:52 GMT -5
And I didn't buy the Furd cuz I just thot it was crap....
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Post by Imprezivblue on Jul 10, 2006 21:00:54 GMT -5
Found. . . Off. . . Road. . . Dead. . .
Fix. . . Or. . . Repair. . . Daily. . .
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Post by m3 on Jul 10, 2006 22:33:09 GMT -5
Dam, I guess I really did finish 2nd in FS. Oh well. I was only lacking R-comps, a 6 speed manual, and 130 horsepower!!  I still had fun though. Hopefully the bimmer will be back next time ;D |
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Post by slobra on Jul 11, 2006 6:47:08 GMT -5
Found. . . Off. . . Road. . . Dead. . . Fix. . . Or. . . Repair. . . Daily. . . or First on Race Day...in F Stock I did my homework before the first event...make sure I was in the right class |
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Post by m3 on Jul 11, 2006 11:52:23 GMT -5
...I did my homework before the first event...make sure I was in the right class And I certainly appreciate that. I was just giving you hell because, well, it's fun ;D |
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Post by slobra on Jul 11, 2006 13:14:39 GMT -5
...I did my homework before the first event...make sure I was in the right class And I certainly appreciate that. I was just giving you hell because, well, it's fun ;D And it is well taken. I know most of this was not directed at me, or my car. I have been beaten every event until now, and I still keep coming back for more. The culprit, as I see it, was the NTI student running FTD and FTD PAX. It got every body's undies in a bunch. Everyone knows that a Mustang should not be able to do that. My question after looking at the results, was that really an F Stock car or were there mods that nobody knew about? Or mayabe it could be the next (Name your favorite up and coming NASCAR star here). Also on correct classification, the red Dodge Dakota would have been 2nd Sunday if correctly classified in ESP. But who cares...see you at the 24hr event. |
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 11, 2006 13:22:23 GMT -5
Not that I was involved in classing (It is the participants responsibility) but that car at the NTI event may have had a few items outside of stock - not sure. We had to tech so many cars in such a short time, I know a few things slipped by. Since it was mostly a run for fun, it wasn't a big deal (or so we thought) but it may have raised a few eyebrows as you state. I can say that the driver of that car did a great job last year...started out slow and by the end of the day was looking quite good. Supposedly he has run some events since, and may simply have been one of the more experiences NTI drivers at the event. 3rd place went to a student who has been at a previous NTI event as well and has had a chance to play at some non-point events. So, it may just be a demonstration that experience really does matter.
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 11, 2006 14:06:53 GMT -5
As we all should know, car classing is up to the participant. It's not the responsibility of the registrar, tech or event chair to put a car in the right class. All of the above will help class cars, but if the participant doesn't tell us what's been done, then we can't be held responsible.
I know that in the past I've told several people they were classed wrong (CAI running in stock, shock tower bar in stock on a car that didn't come with one - to name a few).
As for the NTI student in the Cobra taking FTD on Saturday, why not? Look at what else was running....
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 11, 2006 14:07:38 GMT -5
Top 10 from Saturday:
1 fs 12 Brian Vogel-Murphy Ford Mustang Cobra 35.353 0.000 0.000
2 bsp 31 Eric Feiler 240z 37.826 2.473 2.473
3 ep 96 Chris Simpson Ford Fiesta 38.338 0.512 2.985
4 sts 77 Scott Kelechenyi Suburu Impreza RS 38.877 0.539 3.524
5 esp 6085 Michael Oguin Ford Mustang V6 39.496 0.619 4.143
6 as 22 Jason Hubbert Chevy Camaro V8 39.774 0.278 4.421
7 gs 21 Colby Knotts Dodge Neon 39.784 0.010 4.431
8 bsp 1 Chris Facente Chevy Corvette 39.921 0.137 4.568
9 hs 0 Aaron Lykins Chrysler PT Cruiser 40.015 0.094 4.662
10 gs 6 Michael Perry Ford Mustang V6 40.097 0.082 4.744
I'd expect the Cobra to be the quickets of those.
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Post by jbyrd on Jul 11, 2006 15:22:04 GMT -5
Weren't we running Limited Combined classes on Satuday anyway?  There was a guy in a BMW e30 (325e) running in G Stock. The car had an S50 M engine in it. That's about 3 times the HP. I thought it was funny how he could "hang" the rear end out with that 115 hp eta engine. Point is - they weren't serious autocrossers and they had a good time. If anyone from that bunch of guys is serious, he'll find out what he's supposed to do. |
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Post by slobra on Jul 11, 2006 19:19:37 GMT -5
That's funny. I thought this all was "just for fun". I'm enjoying myself after taking a 27+ year vacation from autoxing. I also bought the SVT because I liked it, not because 3 years after I got it, it was moved to FStock. Maybe in a year or 2, I will go crazy with springs, sway bars, etc. and move into ESP, but I think I still need to re-learn what I am doing.
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Post by m3 on Jul 11, 2006 23:11:30 GMT -5
Some people do it just for fun, some are deadly serious competitors. That one great thing about autox - it fits many different styles. As long as you're having fun, and better yet learning something, it's all good  |
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 13, 2006 7:19:32 GMT -5
Fun? Serious?....You mean I am supposed to choose? Dang...I just try to drive that rolling gas can as fast as I can and hope that I can beat my son on rare occasion. Usually I feel good if we are the "fastest Furd" (Ya hear me SoloERacer?). But, it is a blast and win, lose, draw it gets the old pump going and that is what it is all about.
Best part to me - believe it or not - is working with novices and helping them improve to where they enjoy the sport.
So it was great to see quite a few of the NTI folks come back for day 2 and participate.
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Post by slobra on Jul 13, 2006 8:23:19 GMT -5
I hope this works...if so a picture should appear  Does anybody have an idea how to get this thing to quit looking like a GStock car...lifting its inside rear wheel...like a puppy dog at a fire hydrant... |
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Post by slobra on Jul 13, 2006 8:25:23 GMT -5
OH...and of course, stay within the rule book for stock. At least my limited slip still works, somewhat.
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Post by C4Shane on Jul 13, 2006 9:18:19 GMT -5
umm...check out the "Holy Crap" thread on Page 2 of this forum and it could be worse..you could lift the front tire completely off the ground, providing you wid massive understeer (push to you NASCAR types). The benefit of lifting the rear is that you probably rotate a bit better, but wid RWD you will have trouble getting power down to the ground. With a "stock" car you are very limited to what you can do on suspension mods - shocks and tires are the main things to play with - sway bars can only be what came on your car model, etc (check the rule book b/c in FS you will have some "package" options you could play with on a Stang). As noted, there are a wide variety of Stangs that fall into F/S so you may find some "stock" pieces that could be changed and still stay in the rules.
But, you are running into the basic problem with many Stock classed cars - they were meant to be safe and feel good on the road, so there are some compromises in the suspension that are hard to overcome without moving out of that classification. check with other owners of similar models and see if any of them have suggestions on what to do - but you may be stuck with the "fire hydrant stance" if you want to stay in F/S.
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Post by m3 on Jul 13, 2006 14:23:46 GMT -5
If it's doing it primarily on braking/turn-in, a stiffer front swaybar would help. Stiffer spring would be better, but not legal for Stock.
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Post by markt on Jul 13, 2006 15:57:51 GMT -5
As we all should know, car classing is up to the participant. It's not the responsibility of the registrar, tech or event chair to put a car in the right class. quote] For a regular autox I wholeheartedly agree. However, as part of our School for NTI maybe we should help class them before registration. I will also see that SCCA Brochures and website info is available to give them as well. At the risk of making more work pehaps a "goodie bag" could be given to them, brochures, pen, key ring, stuff like that. I apologize for not having the brochures at the ready at this last event....they're in the van somewhere...my bad. Mark Van Guy |
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Post by MrsVlad on Jul 13, 2006 16:42:02 GMT -5
I think the Waiver Lady could hand out the 'goodie bags". She could even help stuff 'em.
I'm already handing out a list of "instructions" w/this web site on it, & a self classing chart.
This would actually make it easier. 1 bag with everything in it, instead of 2 papers.
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