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Post by yellow CR on Jun 23, 2014 14:39:23 GMT -5
A new rule is in place for CCR autocross events. If you are late for worker check in you will loose your fastest time of the day.
Sorry, but way too many people have been showing up after the group has started which causes problems with us filling work shifts at the events. Many of us put in countless hours before, during and after events, so please be on time for your work shift. Also it is not fair to the person on course that is still working for you.
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Post by Frodo on Jun 23, 2014 17:50:03 GMT -5
God I hope this helps
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Post by flier129 on Jun 23, 2014 18:19:59 GMT -5
Being a chief of workers for ETR I can definitely relate to this pain. I'll gladly go yell in paddock/grid/where ever if we've got some people not showing up on time or....... at all. I can go track individuals if need be. I know I've had to do this myself and nearly missed my first run. Thankfully I had a co-driver to get my car ready and into grid.
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Post by yellow CR on Jun 23, 2014 23:01:52 GMT -5
We'll see Being a chief of workers for ETR I can definitely relate to this pain. I'll gladly go yell in paddock/grid/where ever if we've got some people not showing up on time or....... at all. I can go track individuals if need be. I know I've had to do this myself and nearly missed my first run. Thankfully I had a co-driver to get my car ready and into grid. With Black Lake and zMax being so large, it is very time consuming to go track people down. People need to have a heart and should be more considerate to the people from the previous work group that are still out on course. |
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Post by belcher on Jun 24, 2014 9:17:05 GMT -5
I guess in my own narrowed minded little world I don't see why people don't want to work. I enjoy shagging cones. You get to see up close how the course is driven either good or bad.
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Post by racz19 on Jun 24, 2014 9:48:03 GMT -5
Delete a run for every 5 mins late?
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Post by W. Dean Furr on Jun 24, 2014 18:27:39 GMT -5
A new rule is in place for CCR autocross events. If you are late for worker check in you will loose your fastest time of the day. If we're going to enforce this consistently, we need to define "late." Does that mean after the last car of the previous group has run? After the first car of the new group has run? Other? Is it the same for group 1? Ideally, we need workers on course BEFORE the groups change over. But I think anything other than before-first-car-of-next-group might be hard to enforce. Thoughts? (Of course, I'm hoping the threat takes care of the issue and we don't even have to enforce. This is supposed to be fun. I hope we can keep it this way.) |
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Post by cr89x on Jun 25, 2014 4:26:02 GMT -5
Valid point Dean. You can't define it as first car of your work because sometimes late worker check ins delay the start of that group. Fine line.
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Post by PinkBimmer on Jun 25, 2014 5:41:56 GMT -5
I hope this works to have over 3 handfuls of people last event who we are showing not working is ridiculous... Its not fair to the others who have to do extra because of that. I can tell you Mike puts in countless hours before, during, and after every event to make sure you have a good time and for those of us along for the ride with him do the same.... We do it because we love the sport... But it takes a toll on us for sure.
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Post by yellow CR on Jun 25, 2014 12:18:47 GMT -5
I don't see it being a big problem having first car of your work shift on course or waiting at the line to head out on course as your starting point for being late. It is a much bigger problem having people late, keeping people out working past their shift or holding up the start of the group.
As for work shift 1, if you are late for that worker check in, I think we have another issue entirely, like missing the mandatory drivers meeting.
With countless people being late and 17 people ditching work, this has become a serious problem for us. And the hammer needs to come down on this matter, and those that don't like it are the ones ruining it for those that are on time and do their job.
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Post by belcher on Jun 27, 2014 16:59:48 GMT -5
We could run the groups as heats. car doesn't go out until next group of workers are on station. I realize that is extreme.
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Post by z3elda on Jun 30, 2014 16:30:01 GMT -5
Drop the Hammer Mike..
We've given it lip service long enough.
My 2 cents? We hold start on the next group for 5 minutes. This gives us quiet time to announce the late comers on the PA and give them a chance to show up. Once we let that first car go, they are LATE, and the penalty applies. That is way more consideration than should be given, but its also more then fair.
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Post by yellow CR on Jun 30, 2014 21:16:36 GMT -5
Drop the Hammer Mike.. We've given it lip service long enough. My 2 cents? We hold start on the next group for 5 minutes. This gives us quiet time to announce the late comers on the PA and give them a chance to show up. Once we let that first car go, they are LATE, and the penalty applies. That is way more consideration than should be given, but its also more then fair. If we have the time, I agree we can hold start. But on those events with 200 drivers or events with timing issues that slow progress, it will be hard to stop running. We will have the announcer let people know about worker check in when we start 3rd and 4th runs of the prior group. And we have a megaphone and will go through paddock twice at the beginning of 3rd and 4th runs announcing that worker check in has started and for people to start heading to the trailer to get your work assignment. |
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Post by jkitt20 on Jul 20, 2014 7:25:33 GMT -5
You could also get an air horn to let people know it is time to work. I am speaking about Zmax....but you can't hear the PA system that far back so no one knows it is time to work. My two thought were drive around and have someone yelling it out or have a held hand air horn (SCR used this at black lake if I remember right). This is in addition to a penalty.
I can tell you from experience it is no fun to work the last run of the group before you and then never get relieved. I think part of the problem is people know this happens so they show up when they know they won't have to work 5 runs. How about having a system where you make the "noise / announcement" which gives everyone 10-15 minutes to get up there. Worker assignments are given then and everyone waits until the run group is over. You then have a mass change still allowing for workers to show up. We don't waste time looking for people. Once the first car is off, that is considered "late". We made the announcement for workers, you didn't show up. This way no one has to possibly work 5 or even 6 runs.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by zanardi1782 on Jul 22, 2014 8:34:35 GMT -5
I know I have been guilty of being late. Not intentional, but it is hard to hear shift change calls sometimes, especially at Z-Max. I like some of the suggestions above, especially the air horn. I have run in other (large) regions where we do hold starts until every worker is accounted for, so it is possible, although it can make the days longer.
My US$ 0.02.
~ Alex
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Post by yellow CR on Jul 22, 2014 17:35:36 GMT -5
I understand the PA system doesn't have the range to get deep into the paddock area. So we had Frodo and Djosh go through paddock at zMax with a megaphone calling for workers at the start of 3rd and 4th runs of the previous group. This gave everyone ample time to get signed in for their work shift. The last zMax event was very good with people being on time and hopefully it will continue.
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