statesville's skewed results

[dstan]

How do we deal with this??
Did we have cars from all teams in the first run group
or should we DQ this event from team points?

I know for a fact I am not the fastest subie driver, Jeff really showed me I have ton's to learn with my ride along with him.

Did Rob do a timed run on the second course to give us a benchmark?

[C4Shane]

Yup. Rob did...difference was 2.5 seconds if I recall correctly...I know it would take use of all fingers and toes, but Steve could probably come up with some kind of way to equalize the results.

[dstan]

Shane you looked so flustered today, but with all that was going on you did great! exalt to you

[silversurfer]

There's no way we can count yesterdays event. With a course change mid event the pax times are all skewed now. We'll just have to consider the event a wash.

[fluid1]

I completely agree. When there are two courses, it's fuxxored. There's no fair way to equate all cars. Results should be trashed.

[lancer360]

I agree. Changing the course FUBAR'ed the results. Statesville should be thrown out.

[Sisko99]

I agree that the event results should be tossed out for the Team Comp. While it would be nice to think that we'd be able to use the difference between Rob's two runs, there are just two many variables that cannot be accounted for to make that accurate without any sort of doubt.

When I spoke to various people yesterday about this....the general concenous was that the event be tossed out.

[sleeper]

Ok, I will not count Statesville toward CCR Team Competition.

However, if anyone objects and thinks it should count, please make yourself heard in this thread. I'm not the only decision maker, pretty much all the drivers are.

[fluid1]

There were a large # of people who expressed to me that there's no fair way to do this.

One thing I can think of is to give each team 9 points. This way it does not benefit the teams near the top by throwing the event out as the percentage of total available points will drop.

[grey ghost]

Steve,

if you were to run the event as it happened, i would like to see how skewed the results were, I think that there we only a couple of drivers in the first group,

I think it might equal out, if a team had a equal amount of drivers in the first heat. or had a Representative in the first, if not then through out the first heat or as 2.5 or so to the first heat.

we can make this work.

thanks Rob.

[dstan]

that is a good point rob.
Besides Rob and I
how many here were in the first rungroup?

[Sisko99]

Mike, Tony, Steve and Jr. from Team Nissan....

That's four of our seven drivers from the event.

[dstan]

I don't know of anyone but Vick and I from team subaru

I really don't see how this event can work for
team points.

[soloracer]

Auw, just give team beer 9 points. What could it hurt.

But , seriously, I'd like to see the results, with a note as to who ran in the first group.

If I'm not asking for too much, I'd also like to see how you would even it up.

Then I'll decide if I think S*!tsville should count.

Sorry, I forgot to log out my husband, this is MrsVlad posting.

[7thson]

Wasn't group 1 just Pro, Tire, and Novice? Would be easy to separate... Rob was (from my memory) 2.6xx seconds slower on course 2, which is ~6.4%. Multiply all the PAX times of Pro, Tire, and Novice by 1.064, and you will have a rough idea... Of course, not all cars would have been equally effected by the chicane, but that's as close as we are likely to get.

Geoff Zimmer 36.209
Rob Faulkner 36.364
Chris Petersen 36.992

Where as, on the 2nd course, Tom Deady was 36.271, and I was 36.868.

That's a Rough top five. You are welcome to calculate further, but it's my bed time

[silversurfer]

Guys, there is no way we can fairly 'equal out' the times. The course changed. The number of runs changed (from 4 to 3 runs) End of story. There were too many problems and variables to account for. To make the decision the wash this event is a fair one. No one benefits, no one suffers. We'll simply continue the team competition at the next 3 events with the hopes we don't have another Statesville happen again.

[sleeper]

Should we put this up for vote?

Everyone I have talked to personally seems to favor throwing this event out, since it is not possible to get 100% accurate results for the calculations due to the course redesign after heat 1.

Team Nissan's fastest driver, Lance Elbertson, drove on the slower redesigned course, who knows if he could have gone 2-3 seconds faster if he had been in the first heat.

More feedback from all drivers involved in TC please.

[lancer360]

If you go back and look at the results from past events, many of the teams have been separated by less than 0.1 secs. There is just no way we are going to be able to adjust the results between the two courses with that level of accuracy.

I would still like to see the results posted with an asterick beside times that came from the 1st course just to see what it looks like though.

[dstan]

I vote to throw the results out, but agree with Chris about
seeing what it might have been

[sleeper]

Here they are, I didn't have time to mark those who ran in the first heat:





I agree with Chris, there is no way to accurately, or fairly, determine pax numbers that will realistically determine the actual winner.

[dstan]

i guess us on team subaru are happy that one didn't count
not one Turbo among us

[Warp3]

What I don't count for Team Subaru anymore...even if I am in a Toyota occasionally!?

[bummer]

Another vote for "throw it out". Sorry to have only three events to close the gap, but... defecation occurs.
Brad

[sleeper]

warp3 said:

What I don't count for Team Subaru anymore...even if I am in a Toyota occasionally!?

Oops, your time does count, even though you drove the MR2, the rules state a roster driver may compete in any car at any point in the season.

You guys still have only four times though for the event.

[Warp3]

Yeah, I know...not sure where Matt was since he was pre-regged for that event.

[mattwrx]

Yah, needed to stay home last weekend. Sorry guys!

But... plans look good for the 24hour!
Might be sporting a spiffy new alignment too! (Maybe I can wear out the inner half of my tres now. )