I think over all we do a good job on safty and having passengers the thinking of hey yall watch this is not seen very much ..and wene it does they are asked to leave the event...alot of new members came from a fun run or a ride along during an event..I think everyone thats helps at the events from chair to safety to workers have a good head on there shoulders and know right from wrong if not thats wene (the crew ) steps in just to let them know...and they have the finial say..thats my 2 cents
Post by trickbrick on Nov 30, 2006 13:55:34 GMT -5
Points taken, Aimee, but the competitive advantage issue is not what we are discussing here. That is specifically addressed in Solo Rules. No competitor (other than Novices) should see the course at speed before he/she has run his/her competitive runs unless his/her fellow competitors allow it. It happens a lot in some classes in CCR, and in others we are very specific about enforcing the rule.
The real question is "whom should be allowed to ride in a car during a run," and "who should be allowed to carry passengers in the first place?"
I don't think there is much of a way to define it, but I do believe there are a lot of competitors running in CCR that are just as focused on "giving rides" as they are on competing.
What concerns me is we don't have a sport which is designed for "giving rides." It is designed to be a precision driving competion....not a "show me how I race on weekends" event.
We shouldn't even associate the word "race" with Solo in the first place. While semantics dictate we are actually "racing against a clock," the word has implications that may be negative as we seek to find public acceptance of the sport and venues on which to compete.
It is up to us to be responsible, and to this point, I feel we have demonstrated a certain lack of responsibility. If that weren't true, it shouldn't even bother anyone if we simply banned passengers.
Step back for a minute, and re-read Dean Furr's post above, and then re-read Martin's post right after it. Nuff said.
Excellent point. It would seem that I lost track of the focus of this discussion.
Maybe CCR region can begin making master lists... Look at people's experience, and then place them into the two categories. I, for example, would fall into the "student" category, which would mean that only an instructor could ride with me. Then be very clear as to who are experienced enough to be instructors and only allow students to ride with instructors, not with a student of similar experience. Some kind of system, to insure that if something happened, there wouldn't be legal issues.
Post by westernauto17 on Nov 30, 2006 14:41:56 GMT -5
I once was a passenger in a demolition derby, but I don't think I was a teacher or a student. I guess it could have been classified as a "joy ride", but I can assure it was not joyful and it isn't a ride I'll take again.
Howdi folks, I agree with most of the safety discussion. I had a great bunch of class instructors, one of whom rode with me the day after class during the regular AX here at the stadium. It was a learning experience!
I have a friend who is ready to learn and I would appreciate showing her the ropes but if we happen to run in the same group, would any experienced AXer wish to provide some instruction? Nikki will driving BSP in the #40 white vette? PM me...thanks!
WOW!!! That's an open door!!!
There are about 12 of us that would love to help!! ;D
Thanks man, I must say...Nikki is about the only girl I would call a "bud", she is quite capable and pretty fearless. Good luck. (mu-hahaha) We will be with the vettes, and will likely check out your Z's.
I am relatively new to the sport, but through my dad, I have learned many things. The most important is that safety is first and he has made it a point to point out many of the rules to me. The one that I have noticed the most is that many passengers at "novice friendly" events (NTI, for example) hold or rest their arms outside the window. Things like this are indicators that not only the passenger, but the driver, does not know the rules, which in turn tells me that they are not experienced enough to ride someone around on an AX course. It is ultimately the responsibility of the driver to inform their friends of the rules and also drive in a competitive manner and not with a "hey, watch this" attitude. I know to some of us, it would be repetitive, but, I think that many small rules like this should be discussed at every event, so the newcomers will be as educated as possible. If I didn't have someone like my dad to teach me all of the things that he has, I would probably have to learn through error. Let's stay safe and stay fast!
Ray Seiler 91 Miata ITA "Red" 96 M-edition Starlight Mica Miata
Post by lagunamiata on Dec 1, 2006 12:39:48 GMT -5
I ran a few NCR events this year and at every event the chair announced no riders unless the rider was a student (with an instructor) or an instructor (with a student). On fun runs they relaxed the rule.
We do need to tighten things down for our events. If someones friend shows up and wants to go on a run, I suggest that they be put with an experienced driver, as their friend may be a novice.