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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 11, 2009 13:16:16 GMT -5
I just talked with Bill who spoke with ZMax and we have our first numbers... and it ain't pretty.
$2,200 per day plus $220 per hour for security / emergency / wrecker.
So for 1 day at ZMax it would cost (assuming 7am - 4pm) $3960.
If we had 100 entrants, entry fee would have to be over $50 per car to cover the $10 to SCCA and site rental... the club would net $40. Oh wait, we forgot about porta-john rental... ok, $55 entry fee...
Now, if anyone has a contact that would be willing to "sponsor" the event for, say, $2,000 for the day, we can talk...
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Post by barbee810 on Aug 11, 2009 17:16:15 GMT -5
Did you get a chance to go by and look at it? Does it have enough space? I haven't been by in over a year and don't really know how far apart the light poles are, space for paddock and grid, etc.
Also, what are you getting for the $2200? The whole area, both sides of the Drag Strip, maybe we only need the northside and can cut down on cost.
What are the participants willing to pay to have a site like Carowinds/CMP/Michelin? I don't remember the fee for the Black Lake Shootout but I thought it was $40 for one day. I personally am willing to pay $40 to $70 for good sites.
$45 per person with 100 attendees = $4500, $1000 to SCCA, $250 for other expense, if you can get it for $3,250 all in does it work? If 150 show up, you make $1,750.
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Post by markt on Aug 11, 2009 18:25:41 GMT -5
I haven't seen the Z-Max lot but, it would have to be pretty darn good to justify $55+ entry fee. The Speedway hasn't been very enthusiastic about supporting grassroots/low budget motorheads...however, with the Lowe's sponsorship going away they may be more negotiable.
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Post by stealthgtfour on Aug 11, 2009 19:33:31 GMT -5
the tire rack needs to get involved with this one. a tour/pro date possibly? the site looks good from what i can tell. the zmax page has some ariel shots that are very promising. that concrete is 1320ft. the pits are at least as long as that and 450+ft wide.just close the send to a friend thing www.lowesmotorspeedway.com/handler.cfm/template,photo_gallery/cat_id,44672?sf_id=7659# |
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Post by fastfrontier on Aug 11, 2009 19:48:01 GMT -5
I know I have gone up there when the supercars were out there (not driven, just watched), and they have a couple of places that could be set up for autocross. Of course they have had the drifting out there too. There are a couple of places that could be set up. Lot to the left of the strip and then there are some places to the right of the strip. Probably have to see arial/site to figure out which one is best. For me I would pay extra for a good site. Also, since the strip is 5 minutes from my house it saves gas ;D
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Post by stealthgtfour on Aug 11, 2009 19:49:18 GMT -5
Oh wait, we forgot about porta-john rental... ok, $55 they have restrooms there dont they? that should be snuck in to negotiations somehow |
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Post by fastfrontier on Aug 11, 2009 19:50:25 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, did you happen to check on the go kart track on the infield? Wasn't sure if it was a similiar expense. I was thinking it was a lot of fun when we went there a couple of years ago. I know it's been fun when my daughter and I did the kart practice days there.
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Post by stealthgtfour on Aug 11, 2009 19:54:23 GMT -5
we piggy-backed that event on another scca event that used the infield road course
to cut costs i believe.
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Post by barbee810 on Aug 11, 2009 21:00:48 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity, did you happen to check on the go kart track on the infield? Wasn't sure if it was a similiar expense. I was thinking it was a lot of fun when we went there a couple of years ago. I know it's been fun when my daughter and I did the kart practice days there. They won't let cars on the Kart track anymore. It is not designed for that much weight. |
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Post by barbee810 on Aug 11, 2009 21:03:43 GMT -5
the tire rack needs to get involved with this one. a tour/pro date possibly? the site looks good from what i can tell. the zmax page has some ariel shots that are very promising. that concrete is 1320ft. the pits are at least as long as that and 450+ft wide.just close the send to a friend thing I know the size is good but I was concerned about all the light poles. I assume the are spaced out but you never know. |
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Post by cr89x on Aug 11, 2009 21:44:47 GMT -5
Well just to put this out there. I'm sure the site would be alot like a Black Lake, add light poles, or Carowinds, minus elevation changes. Our entrance fee to the Carowinds races are the same as any other site and in most opinions, it is a far better site. I believe getting the ZMax site would be huge and people would more than likely pay say $45 entry fees for sure. More than likely it would be a large appeal like Carowinds races. I would assume an easy 150 entries from three to five states.
0.02
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Post by wcox32408 on Aug 11, 2009 23:58:49 GMT -5
when supercars was there they had one big track and one smaller track for the lambo and ferrari. now if the bone heads out there that day didnt hit any pole, why should people that autox all the time. A huge course can be made and still be very very safe. If i am not mistaken, we had 3 cars out on course at one time. Bathrooms are usually open during rental of lots so no portas required. I am planning on going in and sitting down with them soon and dicuss several options for the club. If you all think we can get those numbers then awesome. Poles are poles, as long as a course gets built the right way, no one should hit anything hard unless THEY WANT TO. The lot is great, easy on tires, smooth, tons of parking. been there done it there.
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Post by cr89x on Aug 12, 2009 8:02:11 GMT -5
LOL. unless they want to. The true idiots.
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Post by MattP on Aug 12, 2009 8:12:09 GMT -5
Well just to put this out there. I'm sure the site would be alot like a Black Lake, add light poles, or Carowinds, minus elevation changes. Our entrance fee to the Carowinds races are the same as any other site and in most opinions, it is a far better site. I believe getting the ZMax site would be huge and people would more than likely pay say $45 entry fees for sure. More than likely it would be a large appeal like Carowinds races. I would assume an easy 150 entries from three to five states. 0.02 (disclaimer, these are my views and mine alone, not as a representative of SCR or anything else) I'll note that the CCR/SCR Michelin event drew 205 people each day (240ish total) to very rural Laurens, SC at a $55 2 day entry fee, $30 one day. The site costs are similar. If you plan for 100 cars you can never make the case to use the site. Run and promoted correctly, there shouldn't be any problem drawing double that number at a similarly sized site in a major metropolitan area. Also, a well-run big event that may not make any money gets people hooked and brings them out to other, cheaper sites that are guaranteed money makers. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 12, 2009 8:27:09 GMT -5
I've been running a few numbers...
Based on a $4,000 per day site rental, here's what I've come up with...
100 entrants, 50 non-members @ $45, 50 members @ $35 = $1,000 loss
125 entrants, 50 non-members @ $40, 75 members @ $30 = $1,000 loss
200 entrants, 75 non-members @ $35, 125 members @ $25 = $250 loss
200 entrants, 75 non-members @ $40, 125 members @ $30 = $750 income
Those estimates figure in $10 per entrant to SCCA. I know the actual amount is a little less, but for estimates it gives a nice round number.
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 12, 2009 8:33:32 GMT -5
It seems like, given enough entries, we could make ZMax work... Especially if we have a sponsor to help with site rental.
Bill and I will see what we can work out.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 12, 2009 8:47:18 GMT -5
2010 NCAC at Z Max.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 12, 2009 8:48:19 GMT -5
SCR/CCR Black Lake Shootout works.
2010 CCR/SCR ZMax Shootout, too.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 12, 2009 8:49:19 GMT -5
2010 CCR/SCR/NCR/TSCC/THSCC/HSCC Carolinas' Autocross Championship.
The CAC.
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 12, 2009 8:58:11 GMT -5
2010 CCR/SCR/NCR/TSCC/THSCC/HSCC Carolinas' Autocross Championship. The CAC. Me likey! |
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Post by cb7tuner on Aug 12, 2009 12:51:20 GMT -5
The west side of the dragstrip is the pro pits which is the lot you want to use (the dragstrip runs approx. north/south). It is massive. I was out there when they had the drift event there. They had tons of extra room. The bathrooms were open as well.
Lightpoles are also very spread out.
I have also overflown the area at 500' several times. It is huge. Next time I will be sure to take my camera and snap some pictures, or if someone wants they can bring a camera and tag along for a nice 2 hr flight.
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Post by cr89x on Aug 12, 2009 12:59:37 GMT -5
Well Rich, by your numbers it would work. Like I said, $ 40/45 would work. Would assume 150 entries at least.
ALL of JB's ideas are awesome. I vote for all lol. The best idea to come of it is to keep the SCR/CCR Black Lake shootout, Keep the NCAC moving within the state as usual ....
ADD a CAC. It's perfect!! In thought at least. Who says we can't take regional competition to a competitive national level lol. Adds some more excitement to the season.
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Post by wcox32408 on Aug 12, 2009 14:24:05 GMT -5
Well, i just got DISCOUNT TIRE on board for sponsership of my race car, if we can plan a BIG event or 2, i can talk to see if they are willing to help and sponser the event, free tire giv aways? wheel giveaways? Raffles? many many ideas, such a small brain
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Post by stealthgtfour on Aug 12, 2009 20:07:38 GMT -5
promotion is the key as well as a little help from sponsors.
these things go hand in hand as you know im sure.
the C.A.C. idea would bring the numbers and the sponsors.
and me as well! an evnt just isnt an event w/out me!!
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Post by cr89x on Aug 13, 2009 9:15:24 GMT -5
Well said Marsk e lol.
Definate promote for a site like ZMax. The thought of vendors ..... hmmm.....
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Post by cb7tuner on Aug 13, 2009 16:11:09 GMT -5
You could charge a dollar for each spectator. But that probably would not work. Autocross is f**king boring to watch, haha.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 13, 2009 16:57:05 GMT -5
You could charge a dollar for each spectator. But that probably would not work. Autocross is f**king boring to watch, haha. Actually, we can't charge for "spectators," Gary. If we do, then we have to pay insurance for them too. That get's nasty expensive. |
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Post by stealthgtfour on Aug 13, 2009 17:19:23 GMT -5
made a poll in news, info and results. may help guage interest in the cac idea. input is welcome
someone should make it a sticky
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Post by stealthgtfour on Aug 13, 2009 17:38:44 GMT -5
i know its to cover their ass but the security/wrecker/ems is pretty steep
thats what waivers are for. but thats beside the point.
we only need wrecker/ems from 10-4. those 3 hours gotta be worth something?
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Post by cr89x on Aug 13, 2009 21:02:59 GMT -5
I thought that is why we require everyone on site to sign it ....
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