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Post by volksman on Mar 19, 2006 17:33:01 GMT -5
Just back from the Scr autocross at BMW, what fun! ;D I got a ride in a Acura NSX after I gave the driver a ride in my Beetle. That thing was fast! I wish I had raced in tire class!! I would have won! As it was I placed 5th out of 9 in HS. Learning a bit each time, having fun all the time. Love the time slips they give you after each run. Course was short and fast, lots of cones but some people still messed up each time.  Can't wait till the next time with the CCR guys, so I get the points. Good fun all around with both groups. Greg |
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Post by Tink on Mar 19, 2006 22:00:48 GMT -5
Me too, had a great time at BMW, and quite a lot of familiar people there!
Nice to see such a different course and how a different group runs, printed time slips after each run, green pointer cones, and once again I learned a great deal. They did move a lot of cars quickly, partly due to short course? 4 runs each, still left more than an hour for fun runs after awards.
My best fun run was of course 1.5 seconds faster than my best points run, but I spose practice makes perfect more gooder. Woo hoo!
(Only 1 port-o-poo though. No hot dog lunch specials on-site like at Knights, though a BK up the road was the next best thing. And if any more cars had shown up they'd have been parking on the grid.)
See everyone again soon!
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Post by jbyrd on Mar 20, 2006 6:43:38 GMT -5
Just back from the Scr autocross at BMW, what fun! ;D I got a ride in a Acura NSX after I gave the driver a ride in my Beetle. That thing was fast! I wish I had raced in tire class!! I would have won! As it was I placed 5th out of 9 in HS. Learning a bit each time, having fun all the time. Love the time slips they give you after each run. Course was short and fast, lots of cones but some people still messed up each time. Can't wait till the next time with the CCR guys, so I get the points. Good fun all around with both groups. Greg You had a great event, Greg. BTW - this was a points event, and you have H Stock points in SCAC. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Mar 20, 2006 7:41:54 GMT -5
(Only 1 port-o-poo though. No hot dog lunch specials on-site like at Knights, though a BK up the road was the next best thing. And if any more cars had shown up they'd have been parking on the grid.) See everyone again soon! I thought that the BK here in Waxhaw was the slowest in the US, but I was wrong! That BK was sssllloooowwwww.... Great event by SCR!! |
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Post by orange40 on Mar 21, 2006 19:58:10 GMT -5
It was a good day overall...My first experience with SCR...Like the green pointers and the timeslips
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Post by AJordan on Mar 21, 2006 22:28:53 GMT -5
- I didn't like the green pointer cones, and I felt the same way about the over-abundance of normal orange cones all over the course. I thought they were distracting. I couldn't look ahead far enough because I couldn't distinguish the cones that I wanted to see from the ones that I wanted to ignore until I was right up on them. The green 'apex' cones on some corners were especially distracting since they didn't correlate with any of my apexes. In other words: I prefer a more minimalistic approach to cone use.
I think it would be great if SCR can keep their multi-colored conefilled courses and CCR can keep their low-key utilitarian courses so that everyone can remain happy.
- I also didn't like that the large lot was a there-&-back 30sec ride. I sometimes wish that there was an SCCA rule that every track include at least one cross-over as the fast tracks that loop around the outside of a parking lot are always my least favorite.
- I saw too many people bothering the person working timing during the run groups, which caused several minor delays.
With the exception of the third issue, mine are minor, personal preference complaints. I enjoyed myself and thought that SCR ran a smooth event. Registration and tech were quick and painless. I really enjoyed meeting JByrd and running into some old friends. I also really appreciate several people who took the time to try to help me find a bolt to fix my broken front swaybar.. even if we didn't ever find one. ;D |
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Post by volksman on Mar 23, 2006 19:29:44 GMT -5
I personaly liked the amount of cones because the were always on the outside of whatever curve they were marking. That meant that at a glance I could tell where the turn was quicker. The sea of cones dissapeared!
I do agree that there should have been a longer course, but from what I gathered it was the first time at this rear parking lot, so maybe next time it'll be longer.
As far as bugging the time guy, just cone him off from the rest of the world!
Cheers, greg
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Post by prancingdawg on Mar 23, 2006 20:34:38 GMT -5
Sounds like it was a good one to miss...again!
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Post by orange40 on Mar 23, 2006 22:54:17 GMT -5
When I walked that course I really thought it would be 45-47 seconds long...Very deceptive
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Post by jbyrd on Mar 24, 2006 4:40:09 GMT -5
Actually, the course wasn't that short. The course was fast.
Maybe next time they could put in a couple of cross-overs and let the couse wind around itself - maybe 5 or 6 times.
Then it would be just like a CCR course.
No wait. The whole world doesn't drive Miatas and Subarus. Maybe some of us want to go fast.
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Post by lagunamiata on Mar 24, 2006 7:12:53 GMT -5
If CCR didn't do the cross-overs we'd probably have 35 second courses too...
Those of us that don't drive ill-handling BMWs like something where we can use what Hiroshama built into our cars!
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 24, 2006 7:43:19 GMT -5
Yup - tighter the better for me!
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Post by jbyrd on Mar 24, 2006 11:48:40 GMT -5
Yup - tighter the better for me! There you go talking about wimensezs, again! |
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Post by volksman on Mar 24, 2006 19:07:01 GMT -5
I heard that it was about 1380 feet long, if that helps. Really liked the extra cones.
How much does that ticker tape program and hardware cost for the times?
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Post by lagunamiata on Mar 24, 2006 19:19:57 GMT -5
The idea has been proposed in the past, and shot down. Maybe now that we have a group that's willing to participate in more than just driving the events, we'll get something.
I think we'll be talking about some of these things at the social next week.
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 24, 2006 22:24:10 GMT -5
Yup - tighter the better for me! There you go talking about wimensezs, again! Hmm, I guess that does have a double meaning. But, as always this forum tends to head to the gutter! ;D Might have something to do with the PostHoes! LOL |
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Post by tedebayer on Mar 25, 2006 6:41:56 GMT -5
Then it would be just like a CCR course. No wait. The whole world doesn't drive Miatas and Subarus. Maybe some of us want to go fast. Well now... there are people that might see it that way, but , with all due respect, I just don't share your viewpoint. ;D ;D ;D ;D  C'mon John. You went fast and you know it! (It's just we went fast at the event and you went fast on the way home....)  |
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Post by clint on Mar 25, 2006 14:24:26 GMT -5
Although I didn't attend the BMW SCR event, or even crashed any other SCR event yet, here's some comments.
I basically agree with Adam about the green cones, though I haven't driven a course with them. Even if they aren't a distraction, I don't see what good they would do. A question I'd also have, is do they cost any more than orange? If they do, I definitely wouldn't bother.
Where I disagree with Adam (but agree with "Volksman") would be the layout of the cones (though as he said, it is more a personal preference thing). The past couple years, I've said that "I'm better on tighter courses". Lately I've been wondering if I mean better delineated courses. When there's a "lone cone apex" out in a sea of asphault (especially at the end of a straight, like our last event), I seem to have more trouble finding a better line. The course doesn't "flow" and it seems like you can't get as good of a view of the next element, until your in it. Or maybe it's that I can't judge the distances as well with no reference points, on the 'outside' of the element, especially.
When I think about it, it seems a difference in course design occured after 2003 (my novice season). The '03 courses were nicely delineated, with (IMHO) no "sea of cones" feeling. In fact, though it's my anecdotal opinion, we had many more "got lost" DNFs on '04 and '05 courses with their 'cone spare' designs, than in '03. The only "got lost" DNF I've ever had (do you remember "that" course??) was in '04, maybe '05, after that year or two of experience! I -never- got lost in '03, my novice season, and I don't remember any novices in my typical run group (STS, STX, etc.) having any problem either. There also weren't nearly as many of those 'loop crossovers' in '03. When I think about it, I wonder if there were any?!? On the other hand, I will say that many more of the '03 courses used an entry from the public street at the bottom of the lots. Which I suppose is fairly desirable to avoid. IIRC, we didn't do that at all in '05, right? The '03 courses also sometimes used the bottom lot crossover to cross between the two lot sections. We've had to avoid that since then because of the deteriorated pavement there.
I don't think we would have to use more cones, just take some of the too many (IMHO) that we've been putting before the start lights, and after the finish lights, also in the "crossover straight" (straights don't need -that- many), and use those to delineate actual course elements. Then it would seem I'd have a better chance at whittling away at that 1.3 seconds that Adam had on me at the last event!    ;D
Anyway, it sounds like I might like SCR course design, as long as I don't get hypnotized by green cones!  ;D
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Post by volksman on Mar 25, 2006 17:42:43 GMT -5
I wonder if the green cones were by design or simply that someone had them lying around and donated them moons ago. I like the idea of a few more on the outside edge of the turn and maybe a two or three more on the inside on bigger turns. Sometimes the flour line blends in.
Try to remember too, that comments like these aren't meant as a complaint so much as comments that we all throw out there to see what others are also thinking. If nothing changed from the way it was right now I'd still be having a ton of fun and still doing it every chance I get!
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Post by ROADBOY on Mar 25, 2006 18:34:24 GMT -5
Try to remember too, that comments like these aren't meant as a complaint so much as comments that we all throw out there to see what others are also thinking. If nothing changed from the way it was right now I'd still be having a ton of fun and still doing it every chance I get! I have always been bad with directions. So, I don't think I can say much about the design of the coarse. I completely agree with what you said volksman. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Mar 25, 2006 19:36:59 GMT -5
I have always been bad with directions. So, I don't think I can say much about the design of the coarse. You can't spell either... course... not coarse...  Had to be done... ;D |
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 25, 2006 19:50:22 GMT -5
Picky - picky! But I agree with all of the above! Now - that is politically correct isn't it?
Man - it was fun in Greensboro.....ya'all shoulda been there. Volksman - there was even a Beetle there in H stock
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Post by ROADBOY on Mar 25, 2006 21:21:08 GMT -5
Yea yea yea, I no I kant spel. |
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Post by AJordan on Mar 26, 2006 11:00:21 GMT -5
Try to remember too, that comments like these aren't meant as a complaint so much as comments that we all throw out there to see what others are also thinking. If nothing changed from the way it was right now I'd still be having a ton of fun and still doing it every chance I get! Exactly! I'm not complaining about having fun at SCR ;D |
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Post by m3 on Mar 26, 2006 11:30:51 GMT -5
[disclaimer: I went to none of the specific events referenced in this thread. This is just a generic comment about courses in general.] If CCR didn't do the cross-overs we'd probably have 35 second courses too... There's nothing wrong with 35 second courses. Hell, one of the most fun HSCC courses last year was only 25 seconds long, yet it had enough different elements that it was fun for all (well, at least everyone I talked too). What I hate more than anything is courses that are long just for the sake of being long. |
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Post by clint on Mar 26, 2006 11:58:00 GMT -5
Try to remember too, that comments like these aren't meant as a complaint so much as comments that we all throw out there to see what others are also thinking. If nothing changed from the way it was right now I'd still be having a ton of fun and still doing it every chance I get!
I'm definitely not going to stay away from CCR and/or events at Knights for any of that, you kiddin'?! Even if things stay just like they are. |
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 26, 2006 13:11:48 GMT -5
Well 189 folks seemed to agree with you at the last event an Knights. And, most importantly, everyone and everything went home pretty much as it arrived.
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Post by AJordan on Mar 27, 2006 9:49:20 GMT -5
If CCR didn't do the cross-overs we'd probably have 35 second courses too... There's nothing wrong with 35 second courses. Hell, one of the most fun HSCC courses last year was only 25 seconds long, yet it had enough different elements that it was fun for all (well, at least everyone I talked too). What I hate more than anything is courses that are long just for the sake of being long. That 25s course at the Memorial Autocross last year was my least favorite in my 3 years of autocrossing. If I wanted to make 6 turns in quick succession I'd sleep in on autocross days and drive a local road. I'll take a course that's deliberately longer anyday.. I don't care if I have to loop around a lightpole 3 times. The cost-to-seat-time ratio in Solo II is already dreadful enough to think about on a 50second course... sub 40second courses just make me wish I'd stayed at home. |
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 27, 2006 13:27:06 GMT -5
I admit, I like a longer course for the same reasons. Hard to feel like you get seat time if it is just a drag race through a few elements and then you are done. heck, I can hold my breath that long! And, you really don't run cars any faster, because on a 1-minute course you can easily get two out on course at a time.
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Post by ROADBOY on Mar 27, 2006 14:03:56 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I would think that weither your on a long course or a short course, the seat time would be the same, or should be. If you have shorter runs you can have more. Say on a 35 second course you could have 4-5 runs as suposed to 3-4 runs on a 45 second course. Yes, no?  |
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Can't wait till the next time with the CCR guys, so I get the points. Good fun all around with both groups. Greg
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