Course for 24 Hr Event

[damnyankee]

Please indicate your preference.

If you feel that I need to add different types, let me know.

[Imprezivblue]

Long and fast as long as it flows well. It's not often we're given the opportunity to run on such a wide open site so lets use what we got!

[pleiades]

Course Design will be by Rob Falkner for those who want to know.

[fluid1]

Well, at least we know it will be faster than most. He wasn't uber happy about the 1st day course at the NCAC. I just hope that it's over 30 seconds.

[tirewarmer]

How about we design a course that is representative of what would be seen at a national event or the national championship? Local events are all just a warmup for the big dance, right? Didn't some noob named Roger Johnson put out some guidlines on what makes up a good course. Or we could take elements from other noob course designers like say Karen Babb and use those to make up a course.

[ROADBOY]

fluid1 said:

Well, at least we know it will be faster than most. He wasn't uber happy about the 1st day course at the NCAC. I just hope that it's over 30 seconds.

We'll that will depend on how fast you are. I plan to beat that time ;D

[drbiggly]

While course type is one thing, time length is another. Would folks rather have more runs OR a slightly shorter course?

2003: The course was a minute or so and there were lines for the entire time which as far as I know has never happened again.

2004: Everybody loved the course even though it was short in time and we literally packed up early as folks were tired of running.

Personally I prefer like 2004: Mid-30 second course with more runs than everybody knew what to do with.

-Biggly

[grey ghost]

for those that do not know of my history as a course Designer, here is a little background. I have been involved in course designs for 20 plus years, I was the official course designer for courses in Denver CO, in the Mid 80's then moved to southern CA. were I designed most of the Tour or Prosolo courses for LA. and San Diego Region. in the early 90's up to moving to NC in 96.

what I will do is set up a flowing National type course with elements that are fast and technical.

for those that want a lot of runs the course has very little to do with the long lines of grid.
except for course designs that cause high cone counts and dnf's, or allow a good rate of cars entering the course. the lines are caused by how quick you get the cars on course. best case is to launch a car every 18 to 20 seconds. tricky starts or tight launch boxes can cause delays. along with drivers not ready to go. just a couple of thoughts.

thanks Rob

[tirewarmer]

boxster550 said:

what I will do is set up a flowing National type course with elements that are fast and technical.

thanks Rob

Awesome. That sounds perfect.

[sleeper]

x2, I've never run at nationals but have several past course designs hanging in my garage...let's do it.

[soloracer]

I would prefer a camaro-ish course----------- whatever that is.
Maybe if everyone else stayed home?
This only applies to c****y k-maros.
James

[Imprezivblue]

boxster550 said:

for those that do not know of my history as a course Designer, here is a little background. I have been involved in course designs for 20 plus years, I was the official course designer for courses in Denver CO, in the Mid 80's then moved to southern CA. were I designed most of the Tour or Prosolo courses for LA. and San Diego Region. in the early 90's up to moving to NC in 96.

what I will do is set up a flowing National type course with elements that are fast and technical.

for those that want a lot of runs the course has very little to do with the long lines of grid.
except for course designs that cause high cone counts and dnf's, or allow a good rate of cars entering the course. the lines are caused by how quick you get the cars on course. best case is to launch a car every 18 to 20 seconds. tricky starts or tight launch boxes can cause delays. along with drivers not ready to go. just a couple of thoughts.

thanks Rob

My favorite. Bring it on!

[justinhomi]

Has anybody checked out this lot at night? Is there plenty of light?

[C4Shane]

Hope so - I don't have headlights, nor tail lights, nor radio or any of those other performance enhancing goodies.

Guess my thoughts on the course are that if I wanna go fast and straight, I will pull out my 70 Camaro and go drag racing! Just kidding of course - We'll enjoy whatever we get, but the liddle carz like mine enjoy tight courses.

[crash477]

Sounds good! I prefer techinal stuff, but I need more practice on faster stuff.

[jbyrd]

justinhomi said:

Has anybody checked out this lot at night? Is there plenty of light?

No.

[MrsVlad]

jbyrd said:

justinhomi said:

Has anybody checked out this lot at night? Is there plenty of light?

No.

No, no one has been there at nite?
OR
No lite at nite?

[jbyrd]

yes.

[lagunamiata]

JB's just full of useful information!

[C4Shane]

Yeah...big help ain't he...So now I don't know if I need to figger out how to Put liddle lights on my car...or do I just run in daylight...or do I just say "ah, to h**l wid it and I think I will have annuder Guinness".

But if the course is really really tight, I can drive by sound like I used ta do in Cleveland!

[damnyankee]

We need to get a collection together to get Shane enough batteries for his flashlights to last all night!!

[trdriver]

damnyankee38 said:

We need to get a collection together to get Shane enough batteries for his flashlights to last all night!!

I'll bring a big Mag-lite and some duct tape

[ROADBOY]

I have seen the lot. As far as I know there is enough lighting where your headlights shouldn't be needed. Hopefully Continental will turn them on for us.

I recommend running with ur parking lights on during your night time runs as it will make it easier to see you on course without getting blinded by headlights. Doing this will help the cornerworkers at night. You don't want a temporarily blinded worker wondering in front of an oncoming car.

[Imprezivblue]

roadboy said:

I have seen the lot. As far as I know there is enough lighting where your headlights shouldn't be needed. Hopefully Continental will turn them on for us.

I recommend running with ur parking lights on during your night time runs as it will make it easier to see you on course without getting blinded by headlights. Doing this will help the cornerworkers at night. You don't want a temporarily blinded worker wondering in front of an oncoming car.

Just a word of warning. . . If your parkingl lights are too bright or your your headlights are on it can be bad. You need to be looking ahead, which, more often than not is not in the path of light exiting your car. Running with your lights on will inhibit the "look ahead" philosophy and promote bad habits IE looking at what's directly in front of you.

Just my $0.02

[bogner47]

I've got one of those little Petzl LED headlights that literally straps to your forehead, then if you turn you head to look instead of just your eyes, you really will be looking ahead! Lowe's has them for $15 or $20 I think, and I use mine a camping, doing stuff around the house (wiring behind TVs) and even sometimes doing car wrenching....... Just a thought

[damnyankee]

imprezivblue said:

roadboy said:

I have seen the lot. As far as I know there is enough lighting where your headlights shouldn't be needed. Hopefully Continental will turn them on for us.

I recommend running with ur parking lights on during your night time runs as it will make it easier to see you on course without getting blinded by headlights. Doing this will help the cornerworkers at night. You don't want a temporarily blinded worker wondering in front of an oncoming car.

Just a word of warning. . . If your parkingl lights are too bright or your your headlights are on it can be bad. You need to be looking ahead, which, more often than not is not in the path of light exiting your car. Running with your lights on will inhibit the "look ahead" philosophy and promote bad habits IE looking at what's directly in front of you.

Just my $0.02

Very good point!!

[jbyrd]

bogner47 said:

I've got one of those little Petzl LED headlights that literally straps to your forehead, then if you turn you head to look instead of just your eyes, you really will be looking ahead! Lowe's has them for $15 or $20 I think, and I use mine a camping, doing stuff around the house (wiring behind TVs) and even sometimes doing car wrenching....... Just a thought

It'll probably reflect off the windshield back into your eyes, and you want be able to see where you're going.

[ROADBOY]

imprezivblue said:

roadboy said:

I have seen the lot. As far as I know there is enough lighting where your headlights shouldn't be needed. Hopefully Continental will turn them on for us.

I recommend running with ur parking lights on during your night time runs as it will make it easier to see you on course without getting blinded by headlights. Doing this will help the cornerworkers at night. You don't want a temporarily blinded worker wondering in front of an oncoming car.

Just a word of warning. . . If your parkingl lights are too bright or your your headlights are on it can be bad. You need to be looking ahead, which, more often than not is not in the path of light exiting your car. Running with your lights on will inhibit the "look ahead" philosophy and promote bad habits IE looking at what's directly in front of you.

Just my $0.02

Another good point, thanks for chiming in TK.

[ROADBOY]

jbyrd said:

bogner47 said:

I've got one of those little Petzl LED headlights that literally straps to your forehead, then if you turn you head to look instead of just your eyes, you really will be looking ahead! Lowe's has them for $15 or $20 I think, and I use mine a camping, doing stuff around the house (wiring behind TVs) and even sometimes doing car wrenching....... Just a thought

It'll probably reflect off the windshield back into your eyes, and you want be able to see where you're going.

I think ur right JB. But I think bogner47 ment it as a joke, at least i hope he did .

[soloracer]

Think the proper approach is the "moonshiner" method, no headlites and hope for full moonlite.