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Post by chrispy on Feb 22, 2010 0:38:26 GMT -5
I have an 87 (MK2) Golf that was prepped for ITB several years ago which would put it in FSP. However, the head is from an earlier MK1 Gti. The 87 Golfs all had hydro lifter heads and the MK1 had solid lifters. I have a combination that is both non-stock and wasn't available from the factory. I didn't find anything about head swaps in Prepared (where I thought it would go) but its late and I may have missed it. The interior has been gutted to IT rules so I believe SM is out as well.
I race with HSCC and don't think the FSP drivers would care, but I'm planning on finally joining you guys for some events and want to make sure I'm in the right class.
Thanks for your help,
Chris
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Post by Steve Eckerich on Feb 22, 2010 8:01:35 GMT -5
Check the GCR Chris. If the car that had the later head is listed on the same spec line it is OK. This also assumes the bottom end is the same. As long as you meet all the requirements of ITB (no mixing specs) you still run in Street Prep. Not a VW expert so check the book. If you have the year for each setup I can check for you.
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Post by wcox32408 on Feb 22, 2010 8:31:44 GMT -5
what year is the MK1 car? it is listed in the Road Race GCR as Volkswagen Golf GTI / GT / GL
(85-91) if it falls in that, your fine.
Bill
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Post by chrispy on Feb 22, 2010 18:13:07 GMT -5
Best I can come up with is that the head (026-103-373f) is for an 83-84 Rabbit/GTi (MK1/A1). My block is a GX and it is correct for my 87 Golf Gl (MK2 or A2). Those model years are on different lines of the GCR. From my research, this combination wasn't available from VW in either generation. I asked a similar question on the IT forum and got the impression that this is not a legal IT set up and might fit better in Production with more car prep (i.e weight reduction and cage redesign). Does Production = Prepared?
Thanks for your help,
Chris
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Post by wcox32408 on Feb 22, 2010 20:32:08 GMT -5
well, lets start here, are y ou planning on road racing and autocrossing with the car?
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Post by chrispy on Feb 22, 2010 21:25:27 GMT -5
I don't plan on any wheel to wheel racing but I would like to do time trials and hillclimbs eventually. This year will be strictly autocross and maybe a trackday thrown in depending on the economy.
I'm going to look at the rules again now, perhaps answer my own question.
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Post by chrispy on Feb 22, 2010 23:14:13 GMT -5
Here is what I've come up with so please correct me if I'm wrong: A) The car is not eligible for ITB (based on the mis matched head and block) therefore it is not legal for FSP. B) EP is out since the cylinder head is not original and there is no specified alternate. C) XP is a possibility but there's the pesky head question, so I think its out. That leaves GP, DM or EM. After looking through the Production rules in the GCR it looks as if GP would be the best fit based on Level 2 prep (H Production). My head hurts....  |
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Post by MattP on Feb 22, 2010 23:28:23 GMT -5
XP allows engine swaps from any car, mix and match heads and blocks. You're totally fine there. The L1 vs. L2 rules in prepared/prod hurt my head too... Here is what I've come up with so please correct me if I'm wrong: A) The car is not eligible for ITB (based on the mis matched head and block) therefore it is not legal for FSP. B) EP is out since the cylinder head is not original and there is no specified alternate. C) XP is a possibility but there's the pesky head question, so I think its out. That leaves GP, DM or EM. After looking through the Production rules in the GCR it looks as if GP would be the best fit based on Level 2 prep (H Production). My head hurts.... |
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Post by wcox32408 on Feb 23, 2010 8:25:43 GMT -5
Yeah, if you run XP you will run against lars in the cobra. Have you looked for a correct year head, might be a better alternative to find a head for your car.
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Post by cr89x on Feb 23, 2010 13:14:56 GMT -5
XP is definately a YES. GP, idk.
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Post by chrispy on Feb 23, 2010 13:27:41 GMT -5
85hp ~2200 lb Golf v. 300+? hp ~ 2500lb Cobra ;D Don't think so, even if I'm in it just for fun. Might be entertaining though.....
The head is practically new and I don't have the time or money to put another one on it. The car was bought to race and will never be street legal, so I'm game for stripping it down. Of course I could save everything and put it back on if need be.
GP lists all Golfs (GTi, GT, GL) on the same line with no specific years. H Production (Level 2) allows for either hydraulic lifters or solid, which is the main differences in the heads (mine has solid but should have hydraulic). GP also allows for prep beyond Solo and up to current GCR. It also specifically mentions G Prod and H Prod cars of which mine could be with a little more prep.
Am I on the right track? I help class cars for HSCC but this situation hasn't come up. Anyone at CCR run in either GP, EM, or DM? I don't want to be a one man show.
Chris
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Post by cr89x on Feb 23, 2010 18:01:57 GMT -5
I think you are getting close. I can say that EM and DM you would more than likely be by yourself. I can't think of any cars, regularly, that come out. GP may still be a similiar issue. The only GP car off the top of my head is Mark O. and he runs in PRO class. Run XP and have fun. Surely Lars would appreciate running with someone other than himself lol.
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Post by chrispy on Feb 23, 2010 19:39:10 GMT -5
Good point. I'm just in it for fun anyway while I feel out this new-to-me car.
Thanks for the help
Chris
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Post by philip1 on Feb 23, 2010 20:38:23 GMT -5
TBH if you are planning to autocross or TT the car I doubt there will be any complaints if the rest of the car is compliant with the given class. That is as long as you don't beat them too badly.
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Post by chrispy on Feb 23, 2010 23:10:31 GMT -5
Thats the same message I got from Highlands. The only person I've beat in 4 years of autocrossing is me.  Looking forward to a great season. |
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