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Post by clarise on Nov 18, 2011 19:35:39 GMT -5
The biggest thing for us leaving Novice to join a "grown-up" class was what class to go to ...We are still beginners, but with a great car...Stock wasn't for us...We are old [it's true] & the thought of coming & changing tires made us want to just sit in a rocking chair...Our car is, for now, out-of-the-box stock so ST/STF is pretty much out...We decided to go to the very ruthless tire class & the search began for the best tires to run everyday & use for events...So many choices!! What we wanted was to get that power to the ground... We went w the recommended "all-season ultra perf" tire for our car...WOW!! what a difference...Way, way sticky!![good??] Almost NO torque steer, or slip, even dropping it @ 6500... if we can work it out, another trip to the drag strip will be in the next couple of wks for some play-time...Other beginners?? comments?? help?? Just how weird is it for this GP & GM to be so excited about tires?? klb
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Post by czrider on Nov 21, 2011 7:25:49 GMT -5
It's all a compromise! Grip versus $.
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Post by cr89x on Nov 21, 2011 21:28:04 GMT -5
I can't remember Mark's upgrade list for beginners. I believe it is shocks then brake pads then tires.
As for tires, what size? I'm loving my Dunlop star specs. Been on the car since march. 8k mikes ish and who knows how many runs. They are virtually brand new still it seems. Just the outsides on the right are torn up from Dixie. Flipping them soon and good to go.
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Post by clarise on Dec 3, 2011 8:52:31 GMT -5
Our computer caught fire 2 wks ago, & an ET friend of ours fixed it for $110.00...He took it home & used it for a couple weeks & we got it back Thur...Better than ever!!! Got his cards & #...Now, tires...Size is 225-40-18, 92y, 450...Goodyear F1 Eagle All-Season...Assymetrical...[They stood back & laughed when I tried to back out of the garage when they were clean & new. My 2.3 has no torque in reverse & the tires just stuck to the floor. WTH!!]We realize that if we are going to autox that a set of tires is in our future every year when we are running T class...We also couldn't afford to buy these tires just to throw away...So we waited & Steve watched for a sale...We kept the "summer" tires that came on the car, but we should have let them have them cuz the difference is so amazing we would never, ever put them back on the car...We figured our mileage might go down... It actually improved & the ride is great even on a cold morning...klb
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Post by srduck on Dec 3, 2011 14:59:55 GMT -5
I can't remember Mark's upgrade list for beginners. I believe it is shocks then brake pads then tires. I still think tires are the first thing you do. I'm not saying you need R-comps... just something that will inspire confidence. You want something like Star Specs, RS-3s, etc that may not be the fastest thing out there, but they will do what you EXPECT them to do every time you turn in. When you upgrade to adjustable parts like shocks or swaybars or whatever, it's too easy to blame the car instead of the driver. 99.99% of the time with beginners, it's the driver that needs to be adjusted, not the car. I know in my case, the driver needs A LOT of adjustment before the car does. I feel like when I can go out and run my 4-5 runs within a few tenths of each other... THEN I can worry about tweaking shock settings or whatever. But as long as I'm able to shave off half a second or more from one run to another, I know it's the driver.... not the car... that's being slow. |
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Post by z3elda on Dec 3, 2011 15:49:56 GMT -5
I can't remember Mark's upgrade list for beginners. I believe it is shocks then brake pads then tires. I still think tires are the first thing you do. I'm not saying you need R-comps... just something that will inspire confidence. You want something like Star Specs, RS-3s, etc that may not be the fastest thing out there, but they will do what you EXPECT them to do every time you turn in. When you upgrade to adjustable parts like shocks or swaybars or whatever, it's too easy to blame the car instead of the driver. 99.99% of the time with beginners, it's the driver that needs to be adjusted, not the car. I know in my case, the driver needs A LOT of adjustment before the car does. I feel like when I can go out and run my 4-5 runs within a few tenths of each other... THEN I can worry about tweaking shock settings or whatever. But as long as I'm able to shave off half a second or more from one run to another, I know it's the driver.... not the car... that's being slow. That Sir, is ABSOLUTELY True... After spending a respectable sum of money on upgrades to the Coupe, including brakes, shocks and R-comps... I can say that the car drives differently for sure, but the driver is only marginally faster.. The R-comps definitely make you faster regardless, but as everyone says- they can mask bad driving habits. BUT.. I had Mike Casino co-drive my car at the last Triad event, and he beat me by a couple of seconds and 4 positions. That's all Driver. For Autocross - I'd say: Driving School, Good tires, Shocks, then Brakes. |
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Post by Donutz on Dec 4, 2011 23:21:16 GMT -5
Good tire suggestions? Dunlop Direzza Z1 Star Specs (hold up to abuse really well), Hankook RS3s, Contential DWs (excellent in the rain), although the first two will offer you more grip at the price of slightly worse treadwear
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