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Post by ball80 on Apr 10, 2012 19:05:18 GMT -5
I am curious about this tire. Its a DOT rated tire for street use, but its a R compound. So would this be legal for ST Classing?
Any info would be great
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Post by srduck on Apr 10, 2012 19:46:24 GMT -5
Nope. Hoosier A6s are DOT rated for street use too, actually. The only tires that are ST legal are treadwear 140 or above and not on the exclusion list. (Currently just the Pirelli P Zero Corsa)
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Post by ball80 on Apr 10, 2012 19:54:47 GMT -5
So what would y'all think the top 5 tires are for a FWD Mini be, currently I'm running dunlop star spec
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Post by srduck on Apr 10, 2012 20:08:56 GMT -5
So what would y'all think the top 5 tires are for a FWD Mini be, currently I'm running dunlop star spec Probably the Star Specs. I'm on 215/45/17 Star Specs and I'm happy with them. RS3s are the other big thing in street tires, but they're hard as hell to come by right now... backordered everywhere. The big advantage they have is that they're more friendly to heat than the Star Specs are. Star Specs will hit their peak temp and the grip just falls off. I'm pretty sure Toyo makes the R1R in a size that fits our car too, but Toyo's distribution model annoys me as nobody around here that I called seemed to be able to get the R1R or even know what they are.... and they won't let Tire Rack carry them. *shrug* Stick with the Star Specs and bring a tire sprayer as temps go up this summer. |
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Post by ball80 on Apr 10, 2012 20:30:15 GMT -5
What temp do you think to spray at. I can bring my ir gun from work
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Post by srduck on Apr 10, 2012 20:34:55 GMT -5
What temp do you think to spray at. I can bring my ir gun from work I don't know exact temps, but if they're hot to the touch when you come in off a run, spray them with water. |
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Post by z3elda on Apr 10, 2012 20:37:39 GMT -5
I've also been told the Toyo's get harder as you wear 'em out.
Like Duck said: get a garden sprayer at Wally-World (under $20) and spray 'em down between runs when it gets hotter.
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Post by jbyrd on Apr 10, 2012 20:41:02 GMT -5
If you can find the Kooks, you won't need to spray them. Same with the Kumho XS....hotter the better.
....but you pay for it in cold weather, particularly with the Kumhos....they never get enough heat.
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Post by z3elda on Apr 10, 2012 20:43:35 GMT -5
a quick google search turns up that the optimal temp range for the star specs is 150-180
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Post by srduck on Apr 10, 2012 20:46:58 GMT -5
If you can find the Kooks, you won't need to spray them. Same with the Kumho XS....hotter the better. ....but you pay for it in cold weather, particularly with the Kumhos....they never get enough heat. I dunno about the Kumhos. I drove on them at The Mitty last year at the little AutoX track that Skip Barber and Kumho put on. Those were THE most godawful tires I've ever experienced. They had a nice sharp turn in, and then all grip just disappeared and the car was in a 4 wheel slide. I felt like I was babying the car around the track at a snail's pace. Even my crappy General Exclaim UHPs outperformed the Kumho XS. |
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Post by Captain Avg. on Apr 11, 2012 10:53:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Toyo makes the R1R in a size that fits our car too, but Toyo's distribution model annoys me as nobody around here that I called seemed to be able to get the R1R or even know what they are.... and they won't let Tire Rack carry them. *shrug* Actually, Tire Rack just started selling Toyos - woohoo. They have them in 225/45/17 - which I think is what Ball80 is running. |
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Post by ball80 on Apr 11, 2012 11:21:28 GMT -5
Eric. Thanks for that temp info. You are like a bask of knowledge or will find the right answer
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Post by jbyrd on Apr 11, 2012 12:10:46 GMT -5
For the record, I can show you Traqmate data where Kumho XSs out gripped Toyo R1Rs on my car.
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Post by srduck on Apr 11, 2012 12:14:25 GMT -5
For the record, I can show you Traqmate data where Kumho XSs out gripped Toyo R1Rs on my car. Hrmmm.... well I'm not sure what the deal with theirs were, but they were absolutely atrocious. |
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Post by jbyrd on Apr 11, 2012 12:19:31 GMT -5
I'm becoming more and more convinced that the closer street tires get to r comps, the more like them they become from other perspectives....like for instance.....consistency within sets of tires.
The Toyos I had on my car were not new, but had just been dismounted from a National Tour winning car. They immediately went on to my car, and I tested them side by side at the 2010 12 hours.
The Toyos just didn't work on my heavy car. The Mini is sort of a "tweener" when it comes to weight, but who knows until you try them?
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Post by yellow CR on Apr 11, 2012 13:19:32 GMT -5
Standard autocross equipment for people who are serious are an air pressure gauge (not a somebody else’s gauge, your own gauge, that is consistent to you and whatever pressures you run) and a water spray bottle. With the summer heat coming, I don't care what tires you have you should spray them with water after almost every run. They will fall off half way through your run if you don't. You have to keep ahead of the heat build-up.
Hankooks = squirmy side walls, ok on really light cars
Toyos = soft on the outside hard on the inside if you get bigger than 195's
Kuhmos = You'd have to pay me to drive them
Dunlops = AWESOME! last long and are great in all weather.
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Post by integra55 on Apr 11, 2012 14:35:52 GMT -5
So what would y'all think the top 5 tires are for a FWD Mini be, currently I'm running dunlop star spec Probably the Star Specs. I'm on 215/45/17 Star Specs and I'm happy with them. RS3s are the other big thing in street tires, but they're hard as hell to come by right now... backordered everywhere. The big advantage they have is that they're more friendly to heat than the Star Specs are. Star Specs will hit their peak temp and the grip just falls off. I'm pretty sure Toyo makes the R1R in a size that fits our car too, but Toyo's distribution model annoys me as nobody around here that I called seemed to be able to get the R1R or even know what they are.... and they won't let Tire Rack carry them. *shrug* Stick with the Star Specs and bring a tire sprayer as temps go up this summer. tire rack now is a Toyo distributor ... www.golfmk6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35687 also try here www.treadzone.com/ |
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Post by integra55 on Apr 11, 2012 14:37:40 GMT -5
I've also been told the Toyo's get harder as you wear 'em out. Like Duck said: get a garden sprayer at Wally-World (under $20) and spray 'em down between runs when it gets hotter. the magic size is the 195-50-15 ( sticky goodness all the way to the cords)... supposedly all the other sizes ( i.e. wider and taller) change compounds as they wear down |
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Post by turtle8 on Apr 11, 2012 18:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by Donutz on Apr 12, 2012 8:32:03 GMT -5
the star specs you have are great choice, they stand up to abuse really well and can take hard launches and stuff without causing too much damage to the tire (camber deficiencies can rob you of some of it's life in the long run, but that's true with all cars)
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Post by lilgunny on Apr 12, 2012 8:39:02 GMT -5
Hey Duck... the Kumho tires on the Miatas last year were not the XS line but another of their models. More of an all season. But ain't it fun to "play" with someone elses cars for free...lol
LilGunny ;D
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Post by srduck on Apr 12, 2012 8:56:18 GMT -5
Hey Duck... the Kumho tires on the Miatas last year were not the XS line but another of their models. More of an all season. But ain't it fun to "play" with someone elses cars for free...lol LilGunny ;D They were running 3 cars, one with the 710s, one with XS, and one with the all seasons. Both times I got in, I asked the guy which tires were on the car, and both times I got the XS  But yes, VERY fun to play with someone else's car  The year before they did a Lotus Evora thing, but I didn't get a chance to drive it |
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Post by Donutz on Apr 12, 2012 20:46:51 GMT -5
...so spark notes for the thread....
(1) Direzza's are your best choice. They're grippy and hold up really well to abuse
(2) Get a tire sprayer (deck sprayer or what have you), and spray down the tires between runs, especially in the hot summer months
/condensing of opinion
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The year before they did a Lotus Evora thing, but I didn't get a chance to drive it