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Post by jprice130 on Jun 13, 2012 18:55:08 GMT -5
I've heard lots of speculation but nothing official about the classing of the BRZ/FRS. I'm one of the foolish early adopters and want to try my car out at Blake Lake. I'm planning to run comPletely stock with 17x8 wheels and 235/40 star specs, so what do you guys think? STX? That class seems to come up the most in my Internet searches. I'll be running Novice PAX, but I want to make sure I pick the most appropriate base class. I assume a stock class is out of the question since I've upgraded from the 17x7 stock wheels.
Should I register unclassified and just ask the SCR officials about it on site?
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Post by srduck on Jun 13, 2012 19:16:06 GMT -5
It's not officially classed by the SCCA yet. Lots of regions have put it into CS and STX until there's an official answer from the SCCA.
TECHNICALLY... by the letter of the rules... it should actually fit into STC....
vs STX
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Post by illbebetter on Jun 13, 2012 19:25:07 GMT -5
But he is running 8" wheels, 235mm tires. Stc is max 7.5" wheel, 225mm tire. He might end up in stu.
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Post by drum3 on Jun 13, 2012 19:36:58 GMT -5
Both are available with only a package tray instead of a rear seat so I'm betting thats the reason for STX .
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Post by srduck on Jun 13, 2012 19:49:37 GMT -5
It'll be STX, not STU. STU is for >5.0l naturally aspirated engines, and the BRZ has a little 150lb ft torque 2 liter. DEFINITELY not STU material.
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Post by SE3P on Jun 13, 2012 20:23:23 GMT -5
Why not STR? It is a 2 door car like the rest of STR..
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Post by lagunamiata on Jun 13, 2012 20:29:07 GMT -5
Is there a coupe in STR?
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Post by z3elda on Jun 13, 2012 20:31:54 GMT -5
Technically.. The Clown Shoe Z3 coupe (I know it's a hatch, but no back seat) is an STR car. So SCCA tells me.
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Post by srduck on Jun 13, 2012 20:35:53 GMT -5
Why not STR? It is a 2 door car like the rest of STR.. Kinda like the RX-8 with the "back seat"-ish area. I think everything in STR is a straight up 2 seater, right? |
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Post by jprice130 on Jun 13, 2012 21:37:51 GMT -5
Thanks for all the discussion so far guys. I guess these things are never cut and dry are they? Sure wish SCCA could've come up with something by now, but I guess they need more time to consider everything.
I'm far from an expert (that's why I'm still in Novice!), but a lot of the other forums I read seem to compare the BRZ to the RX-8 and that seems to be where the STX classing comes from. What are the major differences between the BRZ and RX-8 that might seperate them in a ST class? Don't they both have similar power/weight ratios, rwd, naturally aspirated, and 4 seats? I guess the RX-8 has those half rear doors, but other than that what major performance differences are there?
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Post by SE3P on Jun 13, 2012 23:09:32 GMT -5
Tire size for one. How much meat can the BRZ fit under the fenders?
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Post by cr89x on Jun 14, 2012 4:44:36 GMT -5
We won't know until we start driving the BRZ to compare it  The car is so new it is hard to tell. You'd have to know someone that already has one to see what they think and hope they have experience in the sport to provide the proper feedback. There was an FRS in Triad a couple weeks ago, but he appeared to be driving like a novice. |
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Post by drum3 on Jun 14, 2012 5:12:54 GMT -5
Technically.. The Clown Shoe Z3 coupe (I know it's a hatch, but no back seat) is an STR car. So SCCA tells me. Because it is considered a Z3 , with a roof added on .......(: |
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Post by jprice130 on Jun 14, 2012 7:39:41 GMT -5
Tire size for one. How much meat can the BRZ fit under the fenders? I saw one person on a subaru forum use 245/40 tires on 17x9 wheels with 42 offset. It's tight, but fit without fender mods. He ran STX at a regional event last weekend. |
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Post by leifdawolf on Jun 14, 2012 7:44:22 GMT -5
Since it looks like the SCCA is going to be putting the car in CS, I believe STX would be the best place for it. The FR-S/BRZ would get killed in STU. Plus, with the car in STX and the suspension changes allowed, the strut front suspension would not be as big of a draw back as it is in CS. STR is mostly for cars that did not have a back seat as an option. ST/STC are mostly low HP FWD cars, and STU tends towards 4WD or forced induction sedans. STX will be a nice fit that will allow for reasonable tires on the car as well.
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Post by integra55 on Jun 14, 2012 15:00:48 GMT -5
Tire size for one. How much meat can the BRZ fit under the fenders? it doesn't matter how much they can fit ... if it is to be considered for any ST class there are maximum tire & wheel sizes associated with each of the different ST(x) classes |
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Post by srduck on Jun 14, 2012 15:08:58 GMT -5
Tire size for one. How much meat can the BRZ fit under the fenders? I saw one person on a subaru forum use 245/40 tires on 17x9 wheels with 42 offset. It's tight, but fit without fender mods. He ran STX at a regional event last weekend. If you need me to, I'd be glad to see if I can drive it like his co-driver did |
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Post by yellow CR on Jun 14, 2012 16:32:53 GMT -5
All this talk over a mediocre car that is put on a pedestal because nobody makes cool cars anymore.
This makes me sad.
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Post by jprice130 on Jun 14, 2012 16:58:20 GMT -5
I saw one person on a subaru forum use 245/40 tires on 17x9 wheels with 42 offset. It's tight, but fit without fender mods. He ran STX at a regional event last weekend. If you need me to, I'd be glad to see if I can drive it like his co-driver did Ha, ha! I saw the sideways action on those vids...pretty funny. I'm happy to let you have a try if you let me try the Mini! |
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Post by srduck on Jun 14, 2012 18:34:20 GMT -5
If you need me to, I'd be glad to see if I can drive it like his co-driver did Ha, ha! I saw the sideways action on those vids...pretty funny. I'm happy to let you have a try if you let me try the Mini! Next time we have fun runs, all you have to do is say the word! |
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The car is so new it is hard to tell. You'd have to know someone that already has one to see what they think and hope they have experience in the sport to provide the proper feedback. There was an FRS in Triad a couple weeks ago, but he appeared to be driving like a novice.
