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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 16:48:37 GMT -5
After the last zmax our time slip printer didn't survive. Granted we have the LCD so we know what our times are. We don't know where we stand among other drivers. The region we were at this weekend did live timing via a web Address and with a option that is supposedly already apart of axware. I may be wrong about that. But with time slip printer not reviving can we get this system in play. And if it is something that's difficult computer wise I have just the guy who drives with us that gets his jollies for
Stuff like that. I know he would drop everything to help ficilitate that.
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Post by Steve Eckerich on Jul 1, 2012 17:17:00 GMT -5
We had the time slip printer working all weekend at the hillclimb. I think you will find a new one is already in the trailer.
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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 17:57:01 GMT -5
That's great. But I think this would be better and be more green!
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Post by srduck on Jul 1, 2012 17:59:06 GMT -5
At most events we set up the TV with the results on it. That's going to accomplish the same thing... the "final" results layout you're used to seeing posted on the website later, just not quite as "final"
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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 18:11:31 GMT -5
When your 2 driver a car you have no time to go up and check the tv. You have to prep car for next driver. I think this is the way they do it at national events. What do the national drivers think from this region? Kuhn, jay, aj
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Post by srduck on Jul 1, 2012 18:36:22 GMT -5
When your 2 driver a car you have no time to go up and check the tv. You have to prep car for next driver. I think this is the way they do it at national events. What do the national drivers think from this region? Kuhn, jay, aj If you're referring to the "Solo Live" site, I have literally NEVER seen it work right. I've tried to use it to keep up with Nationals, the Blytheville tour, and the Evo shootout, and it NEVER updates correctly. |
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Post by illbebetter on Jul 1, 2012 18:48:19 GMT -5
That's great. But I think this would be better and be more green! Because not printing those 600 little slips of paper would so offset the impact of us racing.  The live web feed is nice but I'd rather have the slips. |
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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 18:55:13 GMT -5
Lol you make a point better
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Post by 05astock on Jul 1, 2012 19:15:24 GMT -5
When your 2 driver a car you have no time to go up and check the tv. You have to prep car for next driver. I think this is the way they do it at national events. What do the national drivers think from this region? Kuhn, jay, aj If you're referring to the "Solo Live" site, I have literally NEVER seen it work right. I've tried to use it to keep up with Nationals, the Blytheville tour, and the Evo shootout, and it NEVER updates correctly. It worked fine at the Dixie tour. I didnt know about it until half way through the first days runs. |
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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 19:25:23 GMT -5
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Post by srduck on Jul 1, 2012 19:40:23 GMT -5
It worked fine at the Dixie tour. I didnt know about it until half way through the first days runs. I would see people posting on facebook about their runs, go to the site to look them up, and it have nothing. Like one or two groups worked okay, but most of them never showed anything. Travis: We don't have an internet connection on site |
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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 20:14:02 GMT -5
500000 smartphones and no one can make a hotspot
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Post by integra55 on Jul 1, 2012 20:21:03 GMT -5
That's great. But I think this would be better and be more green! Because not printing those 600 little slips of paper would so offset the impact of us racing. The live web feed is nice but I'd rather have the slips. besides not everyone has a "smart" phone .... mine is just about as dumb as I am ;D |
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Post by 1slowcrx on Jul 1, 2012 20:23:42 GMT -5
When your 2 driver a car you have no time to go up and check the tv. You have to prep car for next driver. I think this is the way they do it at national events. What do the national drivers think from this region? Kuhn, jay, aj If you're referring to the "Solo Live" site, I have literally NEVER seen it work right. I've tried to use it to keep up with Nationals, the Blytheville tour, and the Evo shootout, and it NEVER updates correctly. Sololive worked perfectly for me while running the Atlanta Tour, nationals last year and summer nationals in Blytheville a few weeks ago. That said, and with a co-driver. I don't really care what's going on until after the run group is over. Some events you have time to really keep an eye on what's going on, some you don't. I'd rather see club money go to other things. |
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Post by SE3P on Jul 1, 2012 22:26:40 GMT -5
A live timing system would be great locally. Especially when we had 50 drivers in Pro two weeks ago at Black Lake. The slips told you how you stand in class after your run, but with 20+ drivers in your class to go after you, you really have no idea how you finish up for the day unless you sneak in the trailer.
Although, I would like to have an announcer for each run group as well. would work just as well as live timing if you can hear it from the grid, and gives you some entertainment especially for the spectators.
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Post by ball80 on Jul 1, 2012 22:49:23 GMT -5
Money? This is already on the system that we have our timing through. No cost. Now If you want an announcer then do a over the fm radio so we can hear it in the car. We have so extremely loud cars. I say we can do a hybrid. Get a announcer and do the live timing. Heck if I could speak English worth a heck I'd do it. But I'm sure I'd mess up everyone's name.
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Post by Frodo on Jul 1, 2012 23:11:40 GMT -5
500000 smartphones and no one can make a hotspot I may be part of that 'smart-phone' generation, but I'm just fine with my basic phone. Does everything I need it to and that's be a phone. Because not printing those 600 little slips of paper would so offset the impact of us racing. The live web feed is nice but I'd rather have the slips. besides not everyone has a "smart" phone .... mine is just about as dumb as I am ;D Walter...you are wise. Kind of have that Obi-Wan Kenobi vibe too you. |
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Post by srduck on Jul 2, 2012 5:23:26 GMT -5
Money? This is already on the system that we have our timing through. No cost. Now If you want an announcer then do a over the fm radio so we can hear it in the car. We have so extremely loud cars. I say we can do a hybrid. Get a announcer and do the live timing. Heck if I could speak English worth a heck I'd do it. But I'm sure I'd mess up everyone's name. Yes... money. The software may be capable of it, but we have to have some form of connectivity. We either need an internet connection to post it to the internet or we need a WiFi AP and server to dump the results to so people locally could get it. Also, we don't have a working FM transmitter that I'm aware of, but we HAVE discussed doing it that way. |
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Post by ball80 on Jul 2, 2012 7:03:49 GMT -5
Ok. Tell ya what. I pledge my iPhone as the wifi hotspot for the first event then put a donation box out front and if people like it we can use that money to get a clear wifi portal. Its 30 a month and between 200 people I think I can raise 30 dollars.
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 2, 2012 7:14:18 GMT -5
For those that don't know or understand AXWare and how our network functions at events...
The AXWare laptops run on a private wireless network, with a wireless router in the trailer. There are multiple "client" machines with AXWare - announcer 1 & 2 are the main ones we run DURING an event. Announcer 1 is in the trailer for someone to use to call times via the PA. Announcer 2 is used for the display and time slip printer.
AXWare has the ability to generate a HTML file every minute (or more depending on how it's set up). That HTML is dropped to a folder on the timing server. From there the laptop that drives the new 32" TV opens the HTML. We use Firefox with a plug-in that reloads the web page every 30 seconds, so the file displayed is pretty much up to date... all this is ASSUMING AXWare functions properly and creates the file.
Now, AXWare has the ability to, assuming we have Internet access, do an automatic FTP to a configured site of the HTML that is generated.
So to get all you people that have smart phones access to live timing we have two choices.
1. Give people access to our wireless network. I DO NOT want to do that. We run Windows XP on the timing server and I don't want 40 people hitting the share.
2. Get Internet access on the timing server via bluetooth, tether or a hotspot.
So, that's what we have and what's possible... now you know.
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Post by yeahdoug on Jul 2, 2012 7:22:59 GMT -5
I'm happy time slips are going to be back. I think we have enough on T&S's plate to worry about hosting the live timing for everyone to see. Just another thing for them to worry about when they have enough to do just keeping the event going.
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Post by srduck on Jul 2, 2012 7:27:47 GMT -5
1. Give people access to our wireless network. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT! Fixed that for you! We have enough issues with wireless signal at events without introducing 80 cell phone clients to the WiFi network. I'm more afraid of the load it's going to place on the AP than on the server itself. I have a Linksys router here at work that I bought to experiment with. I'll see if I can't set up DD-WRT to act as a basic FTP server so we can drop the results file on that... then use a secondary SSID so people on-site can see their results. If I can get it working, I'll get with AJ and D'Amico at ZMax and see if we can't use it to provide results in addition to the TV. |
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Post by srduck on Jul 2, 2012 7:33:43 GMT -5
Also, Travis, I believe you said you do cabling or electrical stuff or something? Feel free to get there early at ZMax and help us make new cables for the timing lights.... it's gonna be a cable party!  |
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 2, 2012 7:42:05 GMT -5
Timing cable is a piece of cake if you know how... and there are color-coded drawings in the clear timing box... and ends and a crimp tool. I have the document on my PC at home if you want it. It's not standard 568A or 568B wiring.
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Post by srduck on Jul 2, 2012 7:46:33 GMT -5
Oh, I've seen the drawings and the tools.... I just swore I was never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever going to terminate another RJ-45 connection again in my life |
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Post by lagunamiata on Jul 2, 2012 7:50:32 GMT -5
ROFL!!!! I wish I could say the same thing!
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Post by srduck on Jul 2, 2012 7:59:36 GMT -5
Oh I say it... it just hasn't proven to be true. After making that claim, I had to learn to do 110 and 66 punchdown blocks IN ADDITION to occasionally doing RJ-45 crap too. Something something best laid plans something blah
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Post by Captain Avg. on Jul 2, 2012 8:37:27 GMT -5
I have an old d-link router I'm not using that could be used as an AP, but I have no idea of what it's capacity is. I can probably also scare up some hardware bits to put together a basic "server" unless that would draw too much power - I also have a spare POS laptop I could trade for some driving lessons  . As for OS cost, if all we need is a web server and an ftp server I can throw linux on it for free, should be able to handle that . Now as far as live timing not working all the time, I wouldn't suggest ever using it as the primary means of information dissemination, but it would be a nice supplemental system and help me justify keeping this not-so-smartphone. At the event Travis is referring to they still had a timing display and an announcer. PS: this is just an offer to help if there is interest, not trying to overstep any boundaries or step on anyone's toes. |
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Post by ball80 on Jul 2, 2012 8:42:39 GMT -5
Why would you have 80 cell clients on the network. You publish them to a Internet page and they go their via their phones data plan
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Post by srduck on Jul 2, 2012 9:22:32 GMT -5
Rich and I have already talked about a day of hard work (and hard liquor) so I can try to take over some of the functions that he's currently doing. Once that's all done, I'll look into some method for live timing & scoring. The easiest way I can possibly conceive is to just set up an AP with a captive portal that takes you directly to the results. Open phone/laptop, choose SSID, open browser... BAM.. results.
I'll tinker around with tethering on my phone and see how do-able the internet method is going to be. Last time I was at ZMax and tried to use both a phone and a 4G wireless card that I have from work, neither did crap.
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