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Post by duvall on Feb 26, 2006 7:57:55 GMT -5
I have a 93 miata with these mods:
TEIN flex coilovers
FM sway bars F&R
FM high flow cat
FM lightweight flywheel and clutch
RX-7 AFM with custom cone air filter
power steering pump removed
Mazda comp motor mounts
I plan on adding a roll bar a FM chassis brace in the next few months, would that move my class up?
I'm not total planing on being competitive, i know i wont be, i just want to have fun and learn the car and my limits
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Post by lagunamiata on Feb 26, 2006 15:10:00 GMT -5
I would say STS2 but the RX7 AFM kicks you out of STS2, although those of us running STS2 would probably not care. If you go outside of CCR, either CSP or SM2, I'd have to read the rules. BTW, you can download the rules from SCCA via this link (copy and paste the link): www.scca.com/Solo/Index.asp?IdS=0006F5-4C14E00&x=050|070&~= |
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Post by jbyrd on Feb 26, 2006 20:46:08 GMT -5
Why would an Air Filter mod knock him out of STS2?
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Post by lagunamiata on Feb 26, 2006 20:52:23 GMT -5
Air filter, no. Changing the AFM, yes. The rules state that the air meter has to be the stock one.
But, I figure we can let him slide!
Oh, the FM chassis brace will knock the car out of STS-2. Not sure to what class though.
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Post by jbyrd on Feb 26, 2006 21:44:27 GMT -5
Aaahhhh. Understood.
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Post by jbyrd on Feb 26, 2006 21:46:41 GMT -5
Oh, the FM chassis brace will knock the car out of STS-2. Not sure to what class though. Probably SM2 |
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Post by Imprezivblue on Feb 26, 2006 22:02:53 GMT -5
Wouldn't the high flow cat change his class as well? Maybe i'm just thinking of STS -> STX rules because I've recently made that change. :shrug: maybe I don't know what i'm talking about. . .
AFAIK, the chassis brace is a move to SM2. So I guess SM2 is a good idea. . .
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Post by lagunamiata on Feb 27, 2006 7:48:14 GMT -5
Not sure about the cat... I'll have to read.
Sounds like if he wants to be legal SM2 is the class.
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Post by lagunamiata on Feb 27, 2006 8:10:47 GMT -5
A few excerpts from the STS rules. I'd suggest you download the rules from the SCCA site.
Subframe mount bushings may be replaced, but must attach in the factory location(s) without additional modification or changes. Subframe position may not be changed. The amount of metal in a replacement bushing may not be increased relative to the amount of metal found in a standard bushing for the particular application. Solid metal bushings are specifically prohibited.
The air intake system up to, but not including, the engine inlet may be modified or replaced. The engine inlet is the throttle body, carburetor, compressor inlet, or intake manifold, whichever comes first. The existing structure of the car may not be modified for the passage of ducting from the air cleaner to the engine inlet. Holes may be drilled for mounting. Emissions or engine management components in the air intake system, such as a PCV valve, or mass airflow sensor, may not be removed, modified, or replaced, and must retain their original function along the flow path.
Engine mounts may be replaced, but must attach in the factory location(s) without additional modification or changes. Engine position may not be changed. The volume of metal in a replacement mount may not be increased relative to the volume of metal found in a stock mount for the particular application. Solid metal mounts are specifically prohibited. Any non-metallic inserts may be used.
That all said, go ahead and run in STS-2 in CCR. I don't have a problem with it.
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Post by C4Shane on Feb 28, 2006 8:04:40 GMT -5
good note on the rules lagunamiata - you can go to the SCCA @ www.scca.org - then click on the Solo button and on that page you will find the Solo rule book in PDF format. Don't be intimidated by the size of it, it addresses a wide range of cars and issues. Only a couple of sections will apply to your particular car. |
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Post by jbyrd on Mar 10, 2006 9:06:28 GMT -5
That all said, go ahead and run in STS-2 in CCR. I don't have a problem with it. Maybe somebody else does have a problem with it. |
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Post by Warp3 on Mar 10, 2006 11:32:22 GMT -5
These are all legal in STS2 (assuming you are on 140+ treadlife street tires).
These bump you to Street Prepared (CSP, I believe for your car). (NOTE: If STX2 were ever to come into being, the high-flow cat would be legal there.)
If this was an option on your car (and wasn't bundled in a package with other parts you can't already change legally), then removing it is legal even in Stock. Otherwise it is legal in Street Prepared via update/backdate.
The roll bar does nothing to your classing, but the chassis brace will bump you to at least Street Mod 2, if not Prepared (depending on how it is connected to the car).
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Post by AJordan on Mar 10, 2006 11:51:02 GMT -5
If this was an option on your car (and wasn't bundled in a package with other parts you can't already change legally), then removing it is legal even in Stock. Otherwise it is legal in Street Prepared via update/backdate. .. and only if he also swaps out the rack for a matching non-powered version. Simply removing the pump wouldn't constitute a conversion. |
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Post by damnyankee on Mar 13, 2006 19:21:44 GMT -5
I noticed on Sunday, some cars were in the S (stock - i.e. BS) class, and then later ran under the SP class (BSP). Is there a simple explanation to this?  |
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Post by prancingdawg on Mar 13, 2006 22:49:19 GMT -5
someone hadta P, dood.
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Post by damnyankee on Mar 13, 2006 23:03:03 GMT -5
Well, that clears EVERYTHING up!!
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Post by AJordan on Mar 14, 2006 8:28:51 GMT -5
I noticed on Sunday, some cars were in the S (stock - i.e. BS) class, and then later ran under the SP class (BSP). Is there a simple explanation to this? It may have been a case where the co-driver didn't want to interfere with the owner's class, so they registered for the next higher class. You could register your stock car in a Modified class if you wanted to. I doubt anybody would contest you because you're not going to beat them. The same goes for registering a car that's eligible for Stock class in Street Prepared. Another scenario is that they actually changed something on the car. Steven Rankins took his 2.5RS to Nationals last year, along with 3 co-drivers. The one car raced in: STS, STSL, STX & STXL. The car was prepped for STS, and in order to be competative in STX, they simply swapped on some wider tires. Of course, for the other classes, they simply swapped the sex of the driver.  ;D |
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 14, 2006 8:37:14 GMT -5
The car was prepped for STS, and in order to be competative in STX, they simply swapped on some wider tires. Of course, for the other classes, they simply swapped the sex of the driver. ;D Yep, and they got FTD for surgical procedures during an AX!!! ;D |
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Post by lagunamiata on Mar 14, 2006 9:03:54 GMT -5
The car was prepped for STS, and in order to be competative in STX, they simply swapped on some wider tires. Of course, for the other classes, they simply swapped the sex of the driver. ;D Yep, and they got FTD for surgical procedures during an AX!!! ;D That's why Stevens voice is a little higher... ;D |
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Post by AJordan on Mar 14, 2006 10:01:21 GMT -5
I knew that didn't sound right when I typed it. The best thing about that RS.. is that it made it through an entire season of hard launches with only one.. ...wait for it...  ...tranny. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Mar 14, 2006 10:07:35 GMT -5
That's just frightening AJ! Find that one standing a the corner in Lenoir?  |
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 14, 2006 10:17:27 GMT -5
Scary...very scary....
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Post by ROADBOY on Mar 14, 2006 11:38:01 GMT -5
Now now guys. You know someone has to like her, uhh him, uhh it. Just NOT me.  |
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Post by damnyankee on Mar 14, 2006 20:11:29 GMT -5
I noticed on Sunday, some cars were in the S (stock - i.e. BS) class, and then later ran under the SP class (BSP). Is there a simple explanation to this? It may have been a case where the co-driver didn't want to interfere with the owner's class, so they registered for the next higher class. You could register your stock car in a Modified class if you wanted to. I doubt anybody would contest you because you're not going to beat them. The same goes for registering a car that's eligible for Stock class in Street Prepared. Another scenario is that they actually changed something on the car. Steven Rankins took his 2.5RS to Nationals last year, along with 3 co-drivers. The one car raced in: STS, STSL, STX & STXL. The car was prepped for STS, and in order to be competative in STX, they simply swapped on some wider tires. Of course, for the other classes, they simply swapped the sex of the driver. ;D Thanks, makes more sense. You can register up in many classes, but not down. When you register in multiple classes, do you have to pay additional registrations? |
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 14, 2006 20:33:09 GMT -5
Yes - you pay for each registration (which could be the same car registered multiple times), not each car. So, each driver pays. When in doubt, just pay your fare to the work steward so he can have a nice dinner and Guinness at the end of the event....LOL
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Post by damnyankee on Mar 14, 2006 20:36:28 GMT -5
With that being said, would it be more advantagious to register in the Tire Class, rather than the Novice? If you are running street tires.
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 14, 2006 20:50:58 GMT -5
Depends on what you want to do. Both classes can be very competitive. Tire class has had some experienced folks in it the last couple of years - some who have spent a lot of time picking "street" tires etc. On the other hand, we have had some Novices that were autocrossing just about every weekend, so that after the first few months they were really getting very quick. My advice, pick one and have fun. But, if you think you would stay in tire class for next year you should probably work on your setups this year whether you run novice or tire. One advantage of tire class is you can run what you drive on if you want to.
The real key to being fast is experience. Study the handbook and notes from the class and work on two or three areas to improve on each time.
Have fun, be safe.
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Post by damnyankee on Mar 14, 2006 20:57:09 GMT -5
At what point, are you no longer a Novice? One season, 5 races?
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Post by C4Shane on Mar 14, 2006 21:03:34 GMT -5
one season. You can stay novice the first year and run for the novice championship if you want to. Otherwise, you can always move over to one of the other classes at any time you like.
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Post by damnyankee on May 2, 2006 20:41:39 GMT -5
If I upgrade my exhaust with a "cat back" system, will that change my classing?
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