|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 8, 2013 19:20:34 GMT -5
I am shopping for coilover springs to go with sleeve converters.
My Toyota Paseo is a tad over 2,000 lb. My shocks and struts are GAB adjustables. What rate springs is good for autocross?
|
|
|
|
Post by dasautochris on Mar 8, 2013 19:40:11 GMT -5
Is it a dedicated ax car? Do you care about ride quality? I don't know anything about those shocks. Not sure how much spring rate they could handle.
|
|
rapidbutterfly
Junior Member
una donna che conosce il suo posto
Posts: 94 
|
Post by rapidbutterfly on Mar 8, 2013 19:41:06 GMT -5
if you're getting the converters from ground control, in california, you might ask them for some rate suggestions for your car, with those shocks. There will be limits, not only as to your own personal tolerance for stiff springs, but also, what your GAB's are valved to handle...
|
|
|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 8, 2013 19:42:43 GMT -5
It is not dedicated, but I will sacrifice ride for handling. I don't drive the car much, because I don't have a work commute. Right now, the ride is just about unbearable when set to full stiff.
-Michael
|
|
|
|
Post by philip1 on Mar 8, 2013 22:16:34 GMT -5
You will want stiffer in back. A 350f 450 rear combo would be a start but it will handle better with stiffer springs (providing the shocks are up to the task).
|
|
|
|
Post by philip1 on Mar 8, 2013 22:20:34 GMT -5
Looks like the gab shocks can handle up to 500# springs so head in that direction.
|
|
|
|
Post by dasautochris on Mar 8, 2013 22:45:51 GMT -5
500# might be a bit much for a 2000# car. Do you have stock springs now? How does it handle now? Does it tend to understeer, is it neutral. What would you say the the biggest flaw is in your cars handling? Are you trying to get it to turn in better, better mid corner grip, more rotation, or do you like the handling dynamics the way there are and your just looking for an overall improvement?
Sorry for all the questions. I'm just trying to get a feel for what your goals are.
|
|
|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 8, 2013 23:42:13 GMT -5
I have a set of B&G sport lowering springs installed now. They are progressive rate. It handles pretty good. The car tends to understeer, but in some situations the back end can come around. My main complaint is that it still sits a little high and has some body roll. I could order a Whiteline swaybar or two, but the car would still sit high. More rotation would be good. The understeer makes the sweepers a bit slow. I have to be careful not to make the car push. My springs: b-gsuspension.com/displayResults.php5 |
|
|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 8, 2013 23:43:46 GMT -5
Looks like the gab shocks can handle up to 500# springs so head in that direction. Where did you find this information? |
|
|
|
Post by philip1 on Mar 9, 2013 6:17:42 GMT -5
Gab site
If your car still has a front bar that would explain the push. If you add any bar add a rear.
|
|
|
|
Post by dasautochris on Mar 9, 2013 8:29:01 GMT -5
The link for the springs doesn't work on my phone. Do you know what spring rates you current springs are? I'm with Phil on the sway bar situation. A stiffer rear bar would help with the push and rotation.
I would say maybe add a rear bar and get springs with a simular front/rear ratio that you currently have but with higher rates.
|
|
|
|
Post by dasautochris on Mar 9, 2013 8:33:25 GMT -5
Hopefully someone with more experience than me can step in and give a little advice.
|
|
|
|
Post by cr89x on Mar 9, 2013 9:42:57 GMT -5
Chris, I want to laugh really quick. STS Miatas are from 2000-2200 lb cars and the best setup is 700f 450r. Hehe. It's a smooth ride on the street with the koni too.
Phil's rates are a good base. They would be best on slicks, but I see them doing well on your car.
Add rear bar and if anything else lose the front in a trash can somewhere.
|
|
|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 9, 2013 9:51:48 GMT -5
Sorry about the link. I can't get a valid URL from the search result. There are no specs for the springs. I'd have to remove them to measure the rates, but since they are progressive It'd be hard to be accurate. www.gabsuspension.com is a crappy site. |
|
|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 9, 2013 10:19:34 GMT -5
Now I have another question. How long - 6 or 7 inch?
I can't find a 350lb spring in 6".
-Michael
|
|
|
|
Post by dasautochris on Mar 9, 2013 10:26:31 GMT -5
Who knows what a good civic setup is? Maybe you should shoot for something similar with you car.
|
|
|
|
Post by 1slowcrx on Mar 10, 2013 16:25:28 GMT -5
I have civic set up information. PM me and I'll be glad to share.
|
|
|
|
Post by turtle8 on Mar 11, 2013 8:51:21 GMT -5
I have civic set up information. PM me and I'll be glad to share. PM sent. -Michael |
|
|
|
Post by chilihead on Mar 11, 2013 9:51:14 GMT -5
I just (this past weekend) added a RSB to my MINI and can vouch for the more neutral balance on a FWD. Still getting used to it actually. It's a fat pig @ ~2500lbs, though.
|
|
|
|
Post by 1slowcrx on Mar 12, 2013 0:03:33 GMT -5
Just PM'ed you back.... little late in the day so please excuse the grammatical errors.
|
|
|
|
Post by philip1 on Mar 12, 2013 22:15:21 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by stealthgtfour on Oct 10, 2013 19:53:04 GMT -5
just remember civics have multi link front and rear so the rates wont translate exactly.
search for info on the motion ratio and rates and convert to at the wheel rate.
also street tyres or r-comps?
streets will prolly like a bit softer setup.
I think eibach makes 6in springs in rates your looking for
|
|
