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Post by CoolGuy094 on Mar 21, 2013 21:39:26 GMT -5
Lol, I'm down for some 300 tread wear rated Hoosiers...
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Post by grey ghost on Mar 22, 2013 14:59:49 GMT -5
Hoosier has gotta be pissssssseeedddd!!!! yeah, there may be a major fallback for the whole of Solo, Hoosier could decide not to make solo type compound tires for all classes, I.E. Street-prep, street-mod would not have a tire. or they could just add a few more 32" and label them 200tw. your would have to have the shaved to get to the good stuff. we have only had one tire to have in stock that it was pretty easy to pick the tire to run a basic Spec tire. 10 years ago you had a choice Kumho or Hoosier. 20 years ago you had Yokohama or BFG' and Hoosier was on the exclusion list. 30 years ago you had Bfg, Michelin, Stalflex, and retreads to choose. well the tire availability could be a big problem in some classes as not all cars could conceivably be on the same tire in a class thus letting some cars have a better tire. You could upset a class big time if a hot tire only fits on only one car in a class thus regulating the rest to a also run. what are we going to do with cars that come from the factory with tires treadwear under 200. 30 years of experience choosing the tire to have going down the drain. looks like those of us that would like to stay in the Stock catagory(street) are going to be buying multiple rims and tires to test which is best for our car. rob |
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Post by SE3P on Mar 22, 2013 15:03:55 GMT -5
And with BFG becoming the official Tire of SCCA, The new BFG R1S would be alot less popular if it wasn't legal for "Stock" classes..
Who want's to autocross a Vette on 200 tw street tires?
Not me.
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Post by integra55 on Mar 22, 2013 15:33:17 GMT -5
Hoosier has gotta be pissssssseeedddd!!!! yeah, there may be a major fallback for the whole of Solo, Hoosier could decide not to make solo type compound tires for all classes, I.E. Street-prep, street-mod would not have a tire. or they could just add a few more 32" and label them 200tw. your would have to have the shaved to get to the good stuff. we have only had one tire to have in stock that it was pretty easy to pick the tire to run a basic Spec tire. 10 years ago you had a choice Kumho or Hoosier. 20 years ago you had Yokohama or BFG' and Hoosier was on the exclusion list. 30 years ago you had Bfg, Michelin, Stalflex, and retreads to choose. well the tire availability could be a big problem in some classes as not all cars could conceivably be on the same tire in a class thus letting some cars have a better tire. You could upset a class big time if a hot tire only fits on only one car in a class thus regulating the rest to a also run. what are we going to do with cars that come from the factory with tires treadwear under 200. 30 years of experience choosing the tire to have going down the drain. looks like those of us that would like to stay in the Stock catagory(street) are going to be buying multiple rims and tires to test which is best for our car. rob Rob, reading the info in the FT helps here .... 13.3.C C. Other 1. Any tire which is OE on a car eligible for Street Category may be used on that car in Regional Competition. OE tires must meet all requirements of 13.3 to be eligible for National Competition. |
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Post by lancer360 on Mar 22, 2013 23:10:56 GMT -5
Rob has some very valid points I want to expand on.
1. For the people wanting to run at the pointy end of the field going to street tires is going to force people into tire testing to find out what works best for their car or team up with other drivers in similar cars to do the testing together. Different tires like different suspension settings and some work better for heavy cars and some work better for lighter cars. Some work better in really hot conditions others like cooler temps. Then you throw in personal preference in driving styles and the feel of each tire. Talk to some of the guys in ST and look at all the questions and confusion going on with the release of the new BFG and Dunlop. People are buying both so they can conduct same day testing and then doing another same day test against the R1R so that is three sets of tires! Then do you shave or not shave? How many runs do you really get before the times start to fall off and how does that compare to the number of runs on an A6? Street tires are not the holy grail for reducing costs that some make them out to be. Like Rob said, the A6 is the defacto spec tire for stock class. For most cars it is pretty well known how to set up for it.
2. There are only two tires, R1R and RE-11, that fit the front of the Elise, 205/45R16, and neither is a 200 tread wear. This rule effectively eliminates the Elise from stock class. I could try to go up or down in wheel diameter, but the Elise is damn near impossible to find the right width and offset in wheels so you would have to go custom ($$$). That is assuming you can even find the right tire sizes in 200 tread wear to maintain the stagger front to back because if you alter the ratio of tire diameter front to rear you will upset the anti-lock braking. The Elise has fantastic very high threshold anti-lock braking so you would be crazy to disable it. Why is the rule being written to exclude the RE-11 and R1R?
That being said I'm not totally against going to a street tire as philosophically it does make more sense in stock class (assuming they don't outlaw the only tires that fit my car) just want to make sure everyone goes into this eyes open with the facts.
3. I also can't see what the point of eliminating remote reservoir shocks is. You are still allowing double adjustable shocks so I can't see any significant costs savings. Now your going to force those of us who have them to go and buy new shocks that are still going to be several thousand dollars.
4. What is the story on Limited Prep for those who still want to stay on Hoosiers? Are they really going to create 7 new classes SSP-LP through FSP-LP? Just what we need, more new classes. This is just going to split stock class in half further diluting the competition.
5. I understand what they are trying to do with the camber allowances. Some cars have fallen out of favor in stock class due the camber limitations causing terminal understeer which isn't much fun to autocross. Other cars can still do well with limited camber, but end up chewing up tires because of it. Do we really want to open this can of worms with allowing camber plates, slotting bolt holes. etc. in a class that is supposed to be "stock"? You also run the risk of taking a car that was borderline competitive to being the overdog in a given class and ending up with a one make class. I think this bears some more thought and discussion.
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