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Post by Frodo on Apr 30, 2013 13:02:01 GMT -5
Definitely looking forward to this. It will be quite fun and competetive. Just hoping I can compete in the cup at the end >  Ok, how about top drivers from each bracket drive my car? You sir had me at hello. |
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Post by kraigklip on Apr 30, 2013 14:25:54 GMT -5
You would obviously have the advantage but I guess it's all good since you volunteered your car. We'll keep this secret between you and me. |
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Post by yellow CR on Apr 30, 2013 15:16:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the offer Kraig, but a single car shootout won't be happening.
The amount of time to run everyone in a single car would be way too much.
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Post by cr89x on Apr 30, 2013 16:28:58 GMT -5
AWESOME!! Great ideas! Keep them flowing. I knew I was onto something.
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Post by drum3 on Apr 30, 2013 16:34:40 GMT -5
The Single car wouldnt take much time if you took Top Pax from Heats . You could already have run everyone except the last heat Top Pax's .
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Post by em99sport on Apr 30, 2013 16:45:29 GMT -5
Ok, how about top drivers from each bracket drive my car? Each bracket winner gets a run in Kraig's Miata and the Fireant. Driver (excluding KK and MJ) with the least number of total spins takes the prize. |
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Post by kraigklip on Apr 30, 2013 17:02:42 GMT -5
The Single car wouldnt take much time if you took Top Pax from Heats . You could already have run everyone except the last heat Top Pax's . This is what I was thinking. with 4 run groups, Starting at run group 2, the winners from group 1 get filtered in. Group 2 class winners run in group 3, class winners from 3 run group 4, then at the end of 4 the remaining run. But I understand the concerns with running an un-known car, fitting into a match-box car like a Miata, and all the other concerns. I think the best would be some kind of top drivers from each bracket ranked according to pax. (1-30, 31-60, 61-90) run their cars at the end for a single elimination torny. Use each drivers fastest run as a Dial in, Closest to each dial-in (without going over) wins. Give each person 2 runs, 1 warm up. You could have 15 drivers which would be 30 more runs at the end. Or not do a torny just a run group free for all, you get 2 runs and that it, Closest to your dial-in wins. With quick math assuming 25 second crossover, 15 drivers running 2 more laps is only about 13 more minutes. |
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Post by rapidbutterfly on Apr 30, 2013 18:54:28 GMT -5
For what it is worth, I profoundly dislike bracket racing on a 1/4 mile, and would be sorry to see it here. I understand it has its place (apparently) in Pro Solo, but....
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Post by kraigklip on May 1, 2013 7:50:10 GMT -5
And pax is better? Think your car is to the limit of the rules? If we use people's fastest as the index, then everyone has a shot of winning. With PAX, only a handful of cars in the region would have a shot of winning. So, unless you want everyone to compete in said "fully prepped car" then only the people that own these cars are going to win.
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Post by srduck on May 1, 2013 8:22:48 GMT -5
And pax is better? Think your car is to the limit of the rules? If we use people's fastest as the index, then everyone has a shot of winning. With PAX, only a handful of cars in the region would have a shot of winning. So, unless you want everyone to compete in said "fully prepped car" then only the people that own these cars are going to win. If we do bracket style where we take, say, 21st and 22nd place, or 51st and 52nd place, or 81st and 82nd place (assuming they're from different clubs) and let them run their same cars again... chances are they're going to be as close to that person that they're racing in their bracket as they were the first time. Best 2 of 3 wins bracket, most bracket wins gets the championship. |
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Post by kraigklip on May 1, 2013 9:24:20 GMT -5
That is a hybrid. Now it's PAX racing with 4 pax races. So instead of a handful of cars that win PAX outright, we have about 30 cars that would be potential winners.
If we go with Pro-Solo index, then everyone could win. Everyone's car can be a winner. Thus the only variable is the driver's skill at being consistent.
The problem is, who is picked into the bracket.
- Class winners?
- Rank according to PAX and divide into 4 brackets while taking the top # from each bracket?
- Random draw?
- Most consistent drivers? (those who run the most consistent times during competition runs)
- Each club picks 1 or 2 people to represent their club? (they don't have to pick their fastest pax, just the person who is the most consistent)
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Post by rapidbutterfly on May 1, 2013 13:41:58 GMT -5
Maybe there is some conflation of meanings for "brackets." I love the pax bracket idea that is analogous to the Solo Cup.
The sort of bracket I oppose is the sort where a faster run can lose you the competition. (like bracket drag racing) we should reward speed over consistency I think. A form of racing that can punish speed is not great.
My car is nowhere near the prep limit, but I can live with that better than 1/4 mile style brackets.....
My . 02.
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Post by matthugie on May 1, 2013 15:52:04 GMT -5
I like the shootout idea, especially with PAX brackets. The consistency thing is interesting, but I'm personally not a fan. With pro level drivers it makes more sense, but clubs are very diverse in skill level and a lot of people are still learning. In the lower brackets you're likely to have less experienced drivers who are still trying to figure things out. I don't feel it's a good idea to penalize someone who is improving as they get more runs (which ideally newcomers are).
Hypothetical: Say a newer driver is in the first run group and when they work later they see a different line through a section. They get into the shootout and try the new line. If it works for them and their time improves then they get DQ'd. You won't get that at the Pro level, but club-wide you very well might.
I also like the PAX bracket idea because you may see some pretty cool car/class matchups.
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Post by kraigklip on May 2, 2013 8:05:16 GMT -5
Ok, Matt, you sold me. I like the idea of doing PAX brackets. I approve this message.
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Post by srduck on May 2, 2013 14:18:11 GMT -5
I thought you were opposed to club on club violence |
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Post by cwguy5 on May 10, 2013 16:12:49 GMT -5
I like the shootout idea, especially with PAX brackets. The consistency thing is interesting, but I'm personally not a fan. With pro level drivers it makes more sense, but clubs are very diverse in skill level and a lot of people are still learning. In the lower brackets you're likely to have less experienced drivers who are still trying to figure things out. I don't feel it's a good idea to penalize someone who is improving as they get more runs (which ideally newcomers are). Hypothetical: Say a newer driver is in the first run group and when they work later they see a different line through a section. They get into the shootout and try the new line. If it works for them and their time improves then they get DQ'd. You won't get that at the Pro level, but club-wide you very well might. I also like the PAX bracket idea because you may see some pretty cool car/class matchups. what he said. |
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Ok, how about top drivers from each bracket drive my car?
