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Post by ball80 on Mar 8, 2014 16:32:26 GMT -5
Hey guys. While at the msx expo I talked to the Motorsport reg people and they told me about this system. The San Francisco Scca loves it. What do y'all think about this? See link below axti.me/Products/Live_Results_For_AXWare |
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Post by dasautochris on Mar 8, 2014 17:52:12 GMT -5
You forgot a very important option in your poll.
"Small price to pay to eliminate TBALL'S excuses when he loses to Mrs. Duck."
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Post by W. Dean Furr on Mar 8, 2014 19:30:33 GMT -5
Didn't we try this already? I remember being at Metrolina and having to chase down someone carrying a smart-phone to get my times. Is this something different?
Of the various systems we have tried (printed time slips, radio-to-someone-writing time slips, announcer, display board, posting at the end of the day, live timing on cell phone, TV display, and laptop near the timing van), I prefer the radio-to-someone-writing time slips. That's partly because I believe they are the least likely to cease working during the event, and partly because I don't have to carry a phone. There is some tradeoff in not knowing other competitor's times, but I'm okay with that. I don't need my competitor's times to tell if the changes I made were quicker or slower. I just need mine.
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Post by cr89x on Mar 9, 2014 6:26:09 GMT -5
Pretty cool stuff! Thanks TBall.
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Post by CoolGuy094 on Mar 9, 2014 10:45:40 GMT -5
I like the idea as long as it doesn't interfere or add additional stress to our timing workers.
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Post by ball80 on Mar 9, 2014 12:35:24 GMT -5
I like the idea as long as it doesn't interfere or add additional stress to our timing workers. The way it looks. It seems like it integrates with our aware and does it all. I think it would make getting timing even easier. |
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Post by srduck on Mar 9, 2014 14:14:24 GMT -5
Yeah, computers are magic like that. You just install more software and magic happens and even though there's another moving part in the puzzle, it's less work, right? MAGIC!!
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Post by ball80 on Mar 9, 2014 15:06:10 GMT -5
Yeah, computers are magic like that. You just install more software and magic happens and even though there's another moving part in the puzzle, it's less work, right? MAGIC!! So tell me what's the issues. We need new computers? Cables? Router? All I hear are there are problems. So give me a list of new stuff that's needed. I'm pretty good at getting stuff. Routers. Good? Computers. Good? Cables? Good? Cat 5/7? Antennas? Good? Labor? I got guys itching to help Axware? Bad? That website has a whole stand alone software that could replace axware. And if we used Motorsport reg the list automatically download. I'm just trying to come up with solutions. I read reviews and this systems seems to have really helped some other clubs. |
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Post by yellow CR on Mar 9, 2014 15:56:48 GMT -5
The only solution we need addressed is the lack of manpower to set things up in the morning and breaking things down at the end the event. We would have had the TV results, but not enough people or time to get it set up.
And you can forget about using Motorsport Reg, not happening. MAE is run by a CCR member and I intend to stay loyal to him.
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Post by srduck on Mar 9, 2014 17:36:29 GMT -5
The router is fine, but I'm looking into replacing it with a UniFi for better range
The laptops are fine, and I think I know what caused the problem last time (AVG)
Cables we can always use... especially since people KEEP RUNNING OVER THE TIMING CABLES!!!!!!!!!!
Labor... yes.
Time... ABSOLUTELY. Got a time machine or something that can slow down time, by chance?
I have a Raspberry Pi sitting beside me right now with a program I wrote so we can display the last two runs on the TV complete with color coding for whether you dropped or gained in rankings since your last run. Carlton Whitehead from Tarheel wrote a program and showed it to me where we can set up a WiFi AP that people connect to and basically do the same thing as what you posted for free. But I don't have time to do that stuff. I barely have time to get a course walk in, and I didn't have time to set up SoloStorm which I DESPERATELY want to know how to use before Dixie this weekend.
I'll be honest.... a few weeks ago I was ready to walk away from the sport entirely. It's gotten to the point that even driving isn't fun anymore. All I hear all day is griping and complaining. "The display is stuck. My time isn't showing up in AXware. Why aren't timeslips working? Do you have live timing online?" Eventually it starts to grate on your nerves, and I've been depressed and in a downright foul mood for the past few weeks. Dixie National Tour is going to be my chance to go drive, hang out, drink beer at the end of the day, and just have fun like I did when I got into the sport without worrying about all the logistics of making things happen. If that doesn't snap me out of this funk, I don't know what I'm going to do.
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Post by integra55 on Mar 9, 2014 18:58:14 GMT -5
Yeah, computers are magic like that. You just install more software and magic happens and even though there's another moving part in the puzzle, it's less work, right? MAGIC!! but will it work on a Jitterbug phone ? there …. that should help with the funk  |
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Post by ball80 on Mar 9, 2014 18:59:40 GMT -5
The router is fine, but I'm looking into replacing it with a UniFi for better range The laptops are fine, and I think I know what caused the problem last time (AVG) Cables we can always use... especially since people KEEP RUNNING OVER THE TIMING CABLES!!!!!!!!!! Labor... yes. Time... ABSOLUTELY. Got a time machine or something that can slow down time, by chance? I have a Raspberry Pi sitting beside me right now with a program I wrote so we can display the last two runs on the TV complete with color coding for whether you dropped or gained in rankings since your last run. Carlton Whitehead from Tarheel wrote a program and showed it to me where we can set up a WiFi AP that people connect to and basically do the same thing as what you posted for free. But I don't have time to do that stuff. I barely have time to get a course walk in, and I didn't have time to set up SoloStorm which I DESPERATELY want to know how to use before Dixie this weekend. I'll be honest.... a few weeks ago I was ready to walk away from the sport entirely. It's gotten to the point that even driving isn't fun anymore. All I hear all day is griping and complaining. "The display is stuck. My time isn't showing up in AXware. Why aren't timeslips working? Do you have live timing online?" Eventually it starts to grate on your nerves, and I've been depressed and in a downright foul mood for the past few weeks. Dixie National Tour is going to be my chance to go drive, hang out, drink beer at the end of the day, and just have fun like I did when I got into the sport without worrying about all the logistics of making things happen. If that doesn't snap me out of this funk, I don't know what I'm going to do. Alan is always asking to help timing. At the last event he worked waivers and was going to do timing during third run group and someone turned him away because he already worked. I'm sure he and new guy would both like to help set up timing. How about wireless timinig so you don't have to worry with cables? And I know what you mean about time. I could build my next house myself. But I don't have the time. So I just pay someone. Same as this program. I'm sure If everyone had no life and tons of time y'all could write a whole axware replacement. But that's not fair to you to carry that burden. Sometimes it's just easier to pay for the program than to add more to your list of things to do. I say we focus on this type of technology and have the TV set up and then forget about having to have someone pass out times. That would be if everything failed. |
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Post by srduck on Mar 9, 2014 21:43:53 GMT -5
Alan is always asking to help timing. At the last event he worked waivers and was going to do timing during third run group and someone turned him away because he already worked. I'm sure he and new guy would both like to help set up timing. Cyndi asked Alan to work timing audit as kind of a last resort, then we managed to find someone we could teach to do it. Didn't want to make him work a second assignment, so we let him go about his business. Appreciate him being willing to help out though. Next event we should have our wireless T-Links, but that introduces a whole new set of issues. I'm not seeing how this would save us time, since it would be another thing on the list of things to do. We can't get away from having to pass out times or having a display board up because people will gripe about it. That was the comment that set me off so bad last week, when I finally managed to get everything up and running again and get a laptop out to display things, and someone told me "Well I don't have time to come down here and look at things". We still have to set up the normal timing gear, and an announce computer, and the PA, the finish computer with the display board. This would just be another WiFi point and more software to set up every event.... definitely not taking any load off of anyone. |
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Post by Captain Avg. on Mar 9, 2014 21:55:13 GMT -5
Alan is always asking to help timing. At the last event he worked waivers and was going to do timing during third run group and someone turned him away because he already worked. I'm sure he and new guy would both like to help set up timing. <sarcasm> Yeah, I can't believe they didn't let me work twice.  </sarcasm> I don't mind working two shifts if needed and I'll try anything once, but I'm not going to be upset if you guys have it covered. Steven, I hope you don't let this ruin Autocrossing for you - go back to just driving before that happens. You guys have just made it look too easy so people take smooth running events for granted. And keep in mind that there was a silent majority out there having a blast as a result of what you all did. You work in IT, you know how it goes - people don't call you and tell you how wonderfully the network is running  . |
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Post by Captain Avg. on Mar 9, 2014 22:03:01 GMT -5
Yeah, computers are magic like that. You just install more software and magic happens and even though there's another moving part in the puzzle, it's less work, right? MAGIC!! but will it work on a Jitterbug phone ? there …. that should help with the funk Does a jitterbug get texts? We could write something to text you your times... |
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Post by Captain Avg. on Mar 9, 2014 22:06:25 GMT -5
"Well I don't have time to come down here and look at things".
Wow...
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Post by Frodo on Mar 9, 2014 23:48:34 GMT -5
Look I'm not going to point fingers or call out names for people who BITCH repeatedly event after event. But it gets old really damn quick. If you have something to whine about, then get off your @$$ and help. If you don't like the way we do something you can either work to make it better or shut the hell up. Honestly I don't put in as much work as the Duckworth's or Licursi, but hearing their frustrations and complaints and even threatening to leave the sport because of it all is a problem. Damn it we're here to have fun: period. And when the backbone of the program can't have fun because of whining children then there's a serious problem. Boo hoo if there isn't live timing up. Boo hoo if the display isn't working again. Boo hoo if you have to take your old legs up and walk to find out your time from the announce computer if it's up and running. It's expected that new people may have questions about things because they are new, but when the same damn people from every single event bitch about the same damn thing well then leave or shut up. Period. "Well I don't have time to come down here and look at things". Wow... Yeah, if this is the person I think it is, then this person likes to complain about a lot of stupid petty things at our events. Every time. |
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Post by ball80 on Mar 10, 2014 3:32:47 GMT -5
Look I'm not going to point fingers or call out names for people who BITCH repeatedly event after event. But it gets old really damn quick. If you have something to whine about, then get off your @$$ and help. If you don't like the way we do something you can either work to make it better or shut the hell up. Honestly I don't put in as much work as the Duckworth's or Licursi, but hearing their frustrations and complaints and even threatening to leave the sport because of it all is a problem. Damn it we're here to have fun: period. And when the backbone of the program can't have fun because of whining children then there's a serious problem. Boo hoo if there isn't live timing up. Boo hoo if the display isn't working again. Boo hoo if you have to take your old legs up and walk to find out your time from the announce computer if it's up and running. It's expected that new people may have questions about things because they are new, but when the same damn people from every single event bitch about the same damn thing well then leave or shut up. Period. "Well I don't have time to come down here and look at things". Wow... Yeah, if this is the person I think it is, then this person likes to complain about a lot of stupid petty things at our events. Every time. Well. I'm not going to go to this level. I think if you feel to write responses like this then they are best served in face to face conversation not on a public venue. This forum is a way to convey information. Not call people names and such. I think that was uncalled for. Next. Every event I think I have ever worked I'm one of the very first people to get there. I have many times worked multiple shifts. Not to mention I'm often the first to find help when we are short. Like providing a little extra help last event because I knew it was Andy's first time mounting tires like that. ( I remember mine and Alan's trip to highlands where that didn't work out too good) When we log into the forum we should check out feelings at the door. Sometimes people complain. Fact of life. It's when people complain who arnt willing to help the problem. That's when there is an issue. As for me. I will continue to look at ways that may help our club as a whole out. The info is out there. See. No reason to keep this thread open. |
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Post by integra55 on Mar 10, 2014 7:13:50 GMT -5
but will it work on a Jitterbug phone ? there …. that should help with the funk Does a jitterbug get texts? We could write something to text you your times... sorry … the jitterbug reference is from a thread form last yr … Duckworth gives me "heck" about my old school cell phone ( almost a brick ) … but really It's a semi-smart phone … yes it receives texts … it will pull up the internet, but any time you try to use said net ( for live timing, weather channel …etc) I usually get the line "phone does not have enough internal memory" but I can't imagine that anyone would have the time to send me a text after each of my runs LOL we've run, off and on for yrs without instant knowledge of our, or our "opponents" times … don't see why we can't continue … when THINGS happen |
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Post by ball80 on Mar 10, 2014 9:48:03 GMT -5
Does a jitterbug get texts? We could write something to text you your times... sorry … the jitterbug reference is from a thread form last yr … Duckworth gives me "heck" about my old school cell phone ( almost a brick ) … but really It's a semi-smart phone … yes it receives texts … it will pull up the internet, but any time you try to use said net ( for live timing, weather channel …etc) I usually get the line "phone does not have enough internal memory" but I can't imagine that anyone would have the time to send me a text after each of my runs LOL we've run, off and on for yrs without instant knowledge of our, or our "opponents" times … don't see why we can't continue … when THINGS happen Walter. My grandpa uses a iphone. I can teach you too!! |
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Post by cr89x on Mar 10, 2014 10:15:26 GMT -5
Thanks Frodo.
Technology has spoiled us! Remember even a decade ago no one knew their times until weeks after the event when the club newsletter came out. Just fuel for thought.
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Post by Captain Avg. on Mar 10, 2014 10:28:51 GMT -5
Does a jitterbug get texts? We could write something to text you your times... sorry … the jitterbug reference is from a thread form last yr … Duckworth gives me "heck" about my old school cell phone ( almost a brick ) … but really It's a semi-smart phone … yes it receives texts … it will pull up the internet, but any time you try to use said net ( for live timing, weather channel …etc) I usually get the line "phone does not have enough internal memory" but I can't imagine that anyone would have the time to send me a text after each of my runs LOL we've run, off and on for yrs without instant knowledge of our, or our "opponents" times … don't see why we can't continue … when THINGS happen Sorry, joke fail... it was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek. I agree though, when stuff happens just adapt and overcome. Nobody is intentionally keeping your times from you, in fact they are busting posterior trying to get it fixed. CCR has been really good about implementing a continuous improvement process and learning from past issues, and that's really all you can do. Live timing is nice to have, but it's really icing on the cake. |
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Post by integra55 on Mar 10, 2014 15:14:53 GMT -5
sorry … the jitterbug reference is from a thread form last yr … Duckworth gives me "heck" about my old school cell phone ( almost a brick ) … but really It's a semi-smart phone … yes it receives texts … it will pull up the internet, but any time you try to use said net ( for live timing, weather channel …etc) I usually get the line "phone does not have enough internal memory" but I can't imagine that anyone would have the time to send me a text after each of my runs LOL we've run, off and on for yrs without instant knowledge of our, or our "opponents" times … don't see why we can't continue … when THINGS happen Walter. My grandpa uses a iphone. I can teach you too!! again… last yr joke with Steven … I know how to to use my phone … it's the phone that's lacking ( inexpensive NET10 "sorta smart" phone |
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Post by matthugie on Mar 10, 2014 15:32:13 GMT -5
I'm all for anything that makes the job of our core workers easier, though working with what is on hand is probably easier than throwing new things at it. I can help with some of the early morning setup since I'm usually there before registration opens.
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Post by cr89x on Mar 11, 2014 7:29:47 GMT -5
From the meeting of the minds and the clueless the other night, we just need help to get things going in the morning. Yea yea we have coffee now, but it takes more than that, especially since Duckles won't drink it (however if there was rum .... I wonder). Duckles is our sole techy on the core worker crew. I try but I only know so much, and the things that go wrong are weird.
We just need extra hands. In the morning setting up AND tearing down at the end. Don't stand around waiting on trophies. Pick up trash, put loose items in totes, wind up cables, jump in the truck to go get cones, help pack the trailer. The few that do tear down have been there since gates open and really need a case of beer ASAP by that point. Running events is stressful! Surprise.
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