LilBugger47STS
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Post by LilBugger47STS on Feb 8, 2015 19:18:15 GMT -5
According to the TireRack, the Toyo's are all now rated as 200 UTOG regardless of labeling. Even though my old version 1 Hankook RS2s are labeled 200, some of that type appear to be listed as 140 as well. Can't check my size, as they only have 18s in the old version. Seems like I might have to eat some crow here.
What does the club say? Will the Toyos be legal or not? I will go along with the RE's decision, no complaint. Just puchase a set of Rivals, so no dog in this hunt for me.
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Post by drum3 on Feb 8, 2015 19:22:56 GMT -5
It's the exact same tire as before , no compound was changed so I see no reason to exclude the old tires simply because of a number stamped on the side .
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Post by integra55 on Feb 8, 2015 20:07:25 GMT -5
It's the exact same tire as before , no compound was changed so I see no reason to exclude the old tires simply because of a number stamped on the side . Toyo hasn't said that and until Toyo actually says that they are the exact same tire (they haven't… just hinted at at … all the verbiage is from TR ) the 140 TW Toyo's could … and should, get you / me protested if we're running them in Street or ST |
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Post by integra55 on Feb 8, 2015 20:09:26 GMT -5
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Post by vetteboy on Feb 9, 2015 10:20:54 GMT -5
Hey folks, new SCCA CCR member here. I plan on running my car in Street A and need to buy a set of AX/Track tires. I don't want to wear down my new run flat Michelin Super Sports for these events, so Im hoping that there are some new possibilities for us this season...
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Post by vetteboy on Feb 9, 2015 10:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by integra55 on Feb 9, 2015 13:22:34 GMT -5
to bad they don't realize that competition time is already here  only thing "bad" about the article is that it's not official from Toyo, and it doesn't say that they are the EXACT same tire |
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Post by drum3 on Feb 9, 2015 17:04:10 GMT -5
I've spoken with Toyo Engineers ,, They said it was the exact same compound and carcass ,,same tire . You do what you want but its no way in h*** I would protest someone at a local because of this
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LilBugger47STS
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Post by LilBugger47STS on Feb 9, 2015 17:39:29 GMT -5
I've spoken with Toyo Engineers ,, They said it was the exact same compound and carcass ,,same tire . You do what you want but its no way in h*** I would protest someone at a local because of this I understand your feelings about this and acknowledge your previous posts, but you need to remember that the SSCA struggled a long time over this decision, primarily driven by the move to street tires in stock classes. I've written several letters to them myself in the last 6 years or so. ST(?) simply got caught up in the changes. The 200 UTOG was used as best yardstick to keep people honest. We should think before we remove it. But that's all I'm asking for, is a considered decision. |
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Post by LilBugger47STS on Feb 9, 2015 17:42:27 GMT -5
Also...how long before the "dead stock" of 140 rated tire has to be discounted. I'd expect Toyo doesn't want that to happen, and WE are the primary buyers.
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Post by integra55 on Feb 9, 2015 20:16:27 GMT -5
I've spoken with Toyo Engineers ,, They said it was the exact same compound and carcass ,,same tire . You do what you want but its no way in h*** I would protest someone at a local because of this I understand your feelings about this and acknowledge your previous posts, but you need to remember that the SSCA struggled a long time over this decision, primarily driven by the move to street tires in stock classes. I've written several letters to them myself in the last 6 years or so. ST(?) simply got caught up in the changes. The 200 UTOG was used as best yardstick to keep people honest. We should think before we remove it. But that's all I'm asking for, is a considered decision. yep … they can say it all they want … but until it's in writing anyone relying on that statement wouldn't have a leg to stand on as long as the local region hasn't made a wavier for the 140's which is one of the reasons I won't be at the Feb 28th event … then I have conflicts until April 25th … hopefully I'll have tires by then and one more thought … Anthony, I appreciate your feelings about this issue …but I'm betting you don't speak for all the ST competitors … even if no one through paper, it wouldn't stop someone from feeling like they had gotten the short end of the stick … I'll wait 'til I can get something besides the Dunlop or the BFG |
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Post by drum3 on Feb 13, 2015 17:48:57 GMT -5
On Tirerack, Toyo now has a statement saying in 2014 they changed the Rating of their R1R to reflect a 200 rate which was more in line with it's performance . Same tire, new rating . Do what you wantwith tthat info .
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Post by integra55 on Feb 13, 2015 20:51:28 GMT -5
I haven't checked this time … but the previous statements about the 140 being the same as the 200 (on TR) were from Tire Rack
plus I'd rather wait until the SCCA corroborates the statement and says "hey guys … have at it .. the 140's are good to go"
I realize that I probably could "get away" with it at CCR … but I'd rather it be official … plus in my case all it would do is maybe get me to the Mar 1st event … I should have tires by the April 25th event
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Post by drum3 on Feb 13, 2015 21:49:20 GMT -5
It is a statement from Toyo's President that is simply posted to TireRacks site .
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Post by integra55 on Feb 14, 2015 7:47:27 GMT -5
if this is the statement you're referring to … according to my TR source .. that is their wordage taken from Toyo … not "official" claim / disclaimer … whatever from Toyo … and certainly not a notice from the STAC that will allow the 140 "stamped" R1R's in ST competition
NOTE:
At the end of 2014, Toyo changed the Uniform Tire Quality Grade (UTQG) of their Proxes R1R Extreme Performance Summer tire to reflect a 200 Treadwear rating.
UTQG ratings for Treadwear, Traction and Temperature are based on tests conducted by tire manufacturers and reported to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). These regulations allow tire manufacturers to under-rate their tires’ capabilities, but prohibit over-rating them. UTQG ratings are required to be printed on their labels and branded on tire sidewalls.
Toyo assigned the 140 Treadwear rating to match the UTQG Treadwear rating required by competition rules when the Proxes R1R was introduced, however subsequent Toyo wear data revealed the tire line earned a 200 Treadwear rating.
With some competition rules now requiring higher UTQG Treadwear ratings, Toyo decided it was time to officially change the Proxes R1R line’s rating to accurately reflect its capabilities.
Since 140- and 200-Treadwear rated tires will be available*, both currently appear on NHTSA’s safercar.gov website for the Proxes R1R line.
No changes were made to tire compound or construction, so both 140- and 200-Treadwear-rated tires are compatible with each other when put into service as singles, pairs or in combination.
if there is another statement signed by the president of Toyo … stating unequivocally that the tire is EXACTLY the same other than the 140 / 200 on the sidewall, could someone post a link ?
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Post by vetteboy on Feb 14, 2015 9:12:03 GMT -5
Just an FYI..I bought Bridgestone R 11 at Discount Tire yesterday. ..promotion with 100 off on the tires plus another 100 off if you sign up for a Discount Tire CC...ends tomorrow!
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Post by drum3 on Feb 14, 2015 17:11:02 GMT -5
My sources at Tirerack and Toyo say that is per the President of Toyo and if you need a copy of the email from Toyo they will be glad to send you a copy . One has been forwarded to the SEB and SCCA President.
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Post by drum3 on Feb 14, 2015 17:12:52 GMT -5
And again ,, It is the same tire and I cant believe that anyone would turn someone away from a local because they cant afford to throw away half worn tires for new ones. If someone really wants to turn someone away then they are a bigger SOB than SEB has ever been accused of .
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LilBugger47STS
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Post by LilBugger47STS on Feb 14, 2015 19:42:33 GMT -5
Am I to assume you are on them then?
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Post by matthugie on Feb 15, 2015 11:08:25 GMT -5
Am I to assume you are on them then? No, he runs CSP and Hoosiers. It would be good for SCCA to make an official statement on the subject, but I agree with drum3 here. The line of the press release "No changes were made to tire compound or construction, so both 140- and 200-Treadwear-rated tires are compatible with each other when put into service as singles, pairs or in combination." to me clearly indicates that the tires are the same. Why someone at a local event would protest that and encourage their competition to get fresher (read: faster) tires is confusing to me. |
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Post by yellow CR on Feb 17, 2015 16:28:41 GMT -5
With the releasing of statements about the compound by Toyo. The old 140 TW tires will be considered legal at CCR events, and any protest that may be made will be declined.
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Post by LilBugger47STS on Feb 17, 2015 19:55:57 GMT -5
With the releasing of statements about the compound by Toyo. The old 140 TW tires will be considered legal at CCR events, and any protest that may be made will be declined. Thank you. We appreciate the clubs consideration on this. |
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Post by integra55 on Feb 17, 2015 22:32:03 GMT -5
thanks … still will be the end of April before I can get there |
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