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Post by spd579 on Dec 28, 2007 7:34:34 GMT -5
I was wondering if there was anything special I needed to do to participate in the next hill climb. I know I need full safety gear but what all does that entail? Helmet and race suit? I autocross a few times a year and I pratically hill climb on my own when I visit my family in the mountains so I know I have the experience. I have also road raced at VIR before. I just wanted to make sure I can do what i need to to participate. I also drive a 05 rsx-s that would be in street modified if that matters?
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Post by czrider on Dec 28, 2007 13:14:03 GMT -5
spd579,
To compete in SCCA sanctioned Hill Climbs, (Time Trial level 4) you need the following:
Level four Time Trial license
A car that meets the SCCA Time Trial GCR
Driver safety gear per the 2008 SCCA Time Trial rules
An entry form completed and accepted by an event registrar
Show up at the event and go thru registration and get your car and drivers gears teched.
Drive the course
(Sanity not required)
All the current information is conveniently available on the SCCA website under "Club Racing".
To obtain a level four TT license, you will need to have successfully completed at least two (2) level three (3) TTs and or have recogn ized equivalent competition experience, which can be listed on the application and sent to the SEDiv TT manager Steve Tompkins who will assess it and return the application to you for forwarding to the National licensing office.
Brian Gause
CCR-SCCA TT Chair
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Post by MattP on Dec 28, 2007 15:53:58 GMT -5
I pratically hill climb on my own when I visit my family in the mountains so I know I have the experience. Not exactly helping your case here. I have also road raced at VIR before. If you already have a SCCA road racing license, you won't need a separate TT license: OTHER COMPETITION LICENSES - Accepted for Time Trials Events.
The following competition licenses are accepted for Time Trials events, SCCA Professional, National, Regional, Vintage and Novice. Also accepted are Canadian ASN and Canada FIA licenses. Other types of competition licenses may be accepted per Supplemental Regulations. Any of the accepted competition licenses must meet the eligibility requirements in 7.6.1. |
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Post by spd579 on Dec 28, 2007 20:55:55 GMT -5
So my car should pass tech as long as it's considered street legal and it's not a convertable so it dosent need a cage or a roll bar, correct? Also, I looked at the event calendar and it looks like I'll need to participate in the Novice and intermediate at Autobarn, and time trials at CMP to get the TT lisence? is this correct? or is there more? and who should i contact to get started? thanks
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Post by markt on Dec 29, 2007 7:34:49 GMT -5
Glad to hear of you interest in going Time Trials!(TT) Based on your response I assume you do NOT have a Road Race License, roll bar or safety gear. OK, let's get started... 1. Here is the SE Div. Time Trials website: www.rivergate5speed.com/scca/timetrials/index.htmlat the bottom of the page are links to all rules, license and medical forms. It also has the 2008 schedule. 2. License: You will need to get a FULL Time Trials license to do Hill Climbs. You must first get a Novice License which is a paperwork thing with SCCA HQ, all you need is a check and a medical form THAT YOU FILL OUT to get Novice License. At this point you have 2 options for getting a FULL license: 1. Do 3 flat track events, e.g. Gainesville, FL; Talledega, AL & Nashville, TN and get signed off by Steve Tompkins(email link on TT website). 2. Go to Time Trials School at Talledega, AL. This runs along with the TT event and you will get classroom instruction and in-car instruction. It costs a bit more to do the school as opposed to just the event but, you can get your full license in one weekend. Then you can apply for a FULL TT license and a medical exam depends on your age. 3. Roll Bar: all cars participating in Level 3(flat track) and Level 4(hill climbs) MUST have a minimum 4-point roll bar with cross brace FOR SOLO CLASSES such as Street Mod(Road Race Classes must have full cage). I checked with AutoPower and they have a bar that should fit your Acura and it exceeds the minimum tubing requirements. Call them and tell them what you need: www.autopowerindustries.com/rollbars.asp4. Seat: You must have either an FIA approved driver seat or, if NON-FIA it must be one piece and have a seat back brace(AutoPower makes these as well) 5. Safety Equipment: SA Rated helmet(go ahead and get a 2005 rated and be good for a good while), Driver suit must be 1-layer with nomex underwear or 3-layer, gloves(leather & nomex), arm restraints(AutoPower has them), Shoes with SFI rating or ALL leather & nomex socks. If you have facial hair you must wear a nomex balaclava. You also need a small fire extinguisher WITH METAL BRACKETS mounted where the driver can "reach" it, this usually means on the trans hump or near passenger footwell, Ken Gaines with RFR Raceparts can hook you up www.rfrraceparts.com . 6. Car Prep: a well maintained car should pass tech, no leaking fluids, firm brake, throttle return, stuff all attached firmly. However, your first tech where you get your log book is very extensive. You will probably have a hole drilled in your roll bar to check it's thickness, the engine compartment will be check completely for any loose lines, etc. Think of it as a very thorough autocross tech. Relax, this is where most folks are wetting themselves, "Will I flunk tech and be sent all the way home in SHAME??" The goal of everyone in TT is to get you on the track and having a fun, competitive experience, they don't want you leaving the event either...at least until Sunday afternoon  . Hope to see you at Talladega, one way or the other. Mark 2006 & 2007 SEDiv. TT Around The World Participant |
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Post by czrider on Dec 29, 2007 23:56:39 GMT -5
A large portion of what markt has offered is correct. Your need to go to the origin of Time Trial rules (SCCA Club Racing: Website section) and read the information yourself to understand the application.
Brian Gause
CCR-SCCA
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Post by oldgiracer on Dec 30, 2007 14:13:42 GMT -5
MarkT and czrider both have a lot to add to assist you in the process. Please do research on your requirements at both the SEDiv TT site and the SCCA Club Racing/TT site.
Let's clarify a couple of things:
1. All novice drivers must submit a completed driver's physical form, regardless of age. If you are under the age of enlightenment, then you might not have to do so annually, consult the rules to see.
2. FIA does not set standards for the SCCA. Having FIA equipment, let's say your safety harness, will give you more years of service but cost more. You can run your street seat if you wish but I'd recommend that you go with a racing seat with safety harness (5 point or better) to help you control the car better and be safer.
3. Arm restraints are only required if you run an open (or topless) car without a full cage. If you have a full cage, you can run a driver's safety net.
4. When you apply for your novice license, upon approval, you will receive a Novice Driver's Logbook. If you do the flat track events MarkT mentions, then you will need to have the event Steward, Chief Instructor, Safety Steward or equalivant sign off in your logbook that you have satisfactorily completed the event. Have 3 completed and mail in your application to SCCA licensing with the logbook and you should receive your Level 4 or Full Time Trial license. If, as MarkT suggests, you chose to do the TT driver's school at Talladega, that will speed up the process. You'll need all your safety equipment mentioned and your car annual tech'ed where you'll also receive your car's logbook (have several pictures of your car from different angles described in the Club Racing Gen. Comp. Rules to put in the logbook and $10 for the book). Now you are getting somewhere.
We welcome you and any other folks who wish to come play "hillclimb" with us. Please understand that driving the twistys at high speed in a HC is not the same as on a flat track or a Solo/AX-the runoff area of a HC is not nearly as forgiving.
If you need help or clarification, come to the forum or contact us directly and we'll do our best to help.
Tony Wentworth
CCR Hillclimb Chair
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Post by Steve Eckerich on Dec 31, 2007 11:41:26 GMT -5
Merry Christmas everyone!! Now is the time to start planning if you want to step up to Time Trials and Hillclimbs. I got this from SCCA as an alternative to running 3 novice events. If you are going to a track day it might as well count. If anyone has questions about required safety gear for driver or car PM me. No affiliation, just an option.
This is the ad:
The FAASST Performance Driving School will be conducting the following event(s) for your SCCA division in 2008:
SCCA Accredited Racing School and High Performance Driving School (for time trial drivers)
VIR – March 6
Moroso – March 21
Roebling Road – April 24
Fast Performance Driving School
4771 Barnes Road
Colorado Springs, CO 80917
West: Office: 719-761-1372
East: Office: 703-349-0875
Mobile: 719-209-6050
_________________
Steve Eckerich
86 ITS Speedsource RX7
93 ASP RX7
95 ITE RX7
64 GP Spitfire
91 EP RX7
92 Spec Miata
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Post by tedebayer on Dec 31, 2007 13:49:31 GMT -5
Steve,
I'm planning on having TJ at Talledega school & TT as of now... what does the price run on this school? they offer a lot of options on their website but not which sure which would relate to a full TT license.
Thanks
Ted
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Post by markt on Dec 31, 2007 17:54:54 GMT -5
WOOOO, just got off their site, they're really proud of their product. Last year Talladega weekend SCHOOL & TT was $250 + $35 transponder rental, if needed. $200 for TT only. I guess you can figure travel expense savings, if any, as an offset.
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Post by spd579 on Jan 2, 2008 2:33:36 GMT -5
WOOOO, just got off their site, they're really proud of their product. Last year Talladega weekend SCHOOL & TT was $250 + $35 transponder rental, if needed. $200 for TT only. I guess you can figure travel expense savings, if any, as an offset. So i could go to this school and get my TT license? that would be easiest for me since I have a busy schedule most of the time. Also, I remeber reading that I dont need a cage under scca if my car passes my state inspection and is not a convertable, correct? |
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Post by spd579 on Jan 2, 2008 2:39:31 GMT -5
Also what is the entry fee to participate in a hill climb?
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Post by markt on Jan 2, 2008 4:56:11 GMT -5
WOOOO, just got off their site, they're really proud of their product. Last year Talladega weekend SCHOOL & TT was $250 + $35 transponder rental, if needed. $200 for TT only. I guess you can figure travel expense savings, if any, as an offset. So i could go to this school and get my TT license? that would be easiest for me since I have a busy schedule most of the time. Also, I remeber reading that I dont need a cage under scca if my car passes my state inspection and is not a convertable, correct? You do need a 4-point roll BAR that meets specs. Scroll down on this thread for the specifics: ccrscca.proboards51.com/index.cgi?board=solo2&action=display&thread=1194723379Remember, Time Trials & Hill Climbs combine both Solo2 and Road Race classes at the events. The RR folk have different standards than Solo in some areas, roll bars vs. cages is one. Also, you can have either a Novice TT license or a Full TT license. You need a Full License to run hills. Novice Licenses and Log Books should be available registration at flat track events. Talladega is ready for newcomers as it is a TT School. One more thing, Tennessee Valley/Twickenham Auto Club's website www.teamtac.org is where many in the TT community post. You will find discussions under their Road Race category with specific forums for Talladega and Crow Mountain HillClimb. |
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Post by spd579 on Jan 3, 2008 21:57:34 GMT -5
Does any one know the links to some of the TT schools? close to Charlotte, NC
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Post by markt on Jan 4, 2008 5:11:10 GMT -5
VIR would be the closest. Talladega is only about 6 hrs from Charlotte, depending on Atlanta traffic. With the 2008 TT Schedule pretty firm at this point it's hard to see how there would be one closer until 2009.
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Post by gt1hillclimber on Jan 18, 2008 8:34:13 GMT -5
Spd579.
1. Get your safety equipment intstalled, drivers gear purchased. Make that your first priority. Try to get it accomplished asap/
2. Make the effort to go to Talledega. You will not regret it. Great track. Ready made for a Solo1. Very challenging track, fun to drive. Great group of dedicated solo1 folks down there. They will really treat you good.
Get together with one of the veteran solo1 guys in charlotte (tech guy). Make sure your car is prepared. Cut no corners on safety.
Mark Mashburn
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