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Post by Mike on Mar 13, 2006 12:22:03 GMT -5
I was wondering what the track distance is for the Lowe's SCCA configuration, also what are some "middle of the pack" times for ITA? I'll be coming down to run the June race there and just want to get an idea how bad you guy's will spank me.
Thanks
Mike, ITA 240SX from Ohio
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Post by pistonwheels on Mar 15, 2006 10:27:35 GMT -5
I'll try and look it up. Somewhere I have the results from that event...
You may also find them on the AMB site (isn't that myresults.com or something similar).
Martin B.
CCR R.E.
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Post by Julian Busby on Mar 15, 2006 10:41:39 GMT -5
Mike- The distance is 2.25 miles. You will run 95% of the total oval plus the infield course, which has 2 small elevation changes. The last turn ( turn 5) leading from the infield onto the banking is CRITICAL, as this will be the longest effective straight you have ever been on unless you just came from the Mulsanne at Le Mans. And it is a rush and a half! Try to do the test day on Friday, which, although expensive, ( last year $300 ) is well worth it, as it is almost unlimited track time ( no open wheel/ closed wheel alternating). Only interruption is when they have the tour bus on track every hour or so for 5 min. I have run Charlotte every year since 1990, and have loved every minute.Sadly, we are being told that this year is the last, as it has just gotten way too expensive. Julian Busby SRF # 14.
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 12:25:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the info...
I didn't think about checking mylaps
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Post by Mike on Mar 15, 2006 14:57:51 GMT -5
I have gotten a .pdf file from the racetrack showing the SCCA configuration... I'm assuming we will be going backwards with relation to the Nascar boys? The banked main track corners will be right-handers?
Is the start/finish line out on the main track or in the infield? Also, where is pit in/out?
Thanks
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Post by pistonwheels on Mar 15, 2006 16:07:13 GMT -5
No Mike, it's all the Nascar boys who are backwards.
Apart from that, SCCA runs cars in the same (general) direction as NASCAR.
Start finish line is on on Main Strait. Same S/F line as Nascar.
Pit in is just past end of pit lane (it's a tight turn in, the front straight between Nascar 4 and 1 is effectively shortened to enter infield). After driving the wiggly bits, leave the Infield directly on to Nascar Turn One (the banking helps you make that turn). Drive around Nascar Two. Max out your speed down the back straight (about 60 in my old car), around Nascar Turn Three. If you want to enter the pits, then drop down on Nascar 4 and you enter at beginning of front straight.
Otherwise, stay out by the wall and you can pretend your in a carburetted V-8 with enough sponsors for a house on the lake, as you speed past the main grandstand.
Martin B.
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Post by Julian Busby on Mar 16, 2006 14:38:13 GMT -5
Heads Up! The FINISH line at Charlotte is NOT the NASCAR S/F line, but rather a white line ( now kinda faded) at the exit of NASCAR turn #4, just across from timing and scoring. The reason for this is 1) ease of scoring the cars just in front of you as they flash past on the banking, and 2) more importantly, to prevent mating going into turn #1.I nipped a guy for position here several years ago ( he didn't realize it) but I guarantee he won't make that mistake again. Julian Busby
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Post by loboracer on Mar 16, 2006 22:32:05 GMT -5
Wake up guys... The scoring line (loop) used at last years event was the same as the NASCAR guys. Just before the start/finish line. They were going to tear down the old timing building so we got the ok to use the pro-line. Timing and scroing moce up into the tower.
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Post by Mike on Mar 18, 2006 16:17:29 GMT -5
OK guys, if you don't mind, I'll continue to pick your brains.
How about camber settings, tire pressures, and spring rates? Please let me know what kind of car you drive too(so I can relate the numbers to my fat hog)
Also, is the track pretty smooth? I assume the oval is but how about the infield section?
Thanks
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Post by CZRider on Mar 20, 2006 15:44:42 GMT -5
Mike, you want extra camber, higher air pressure and
medium springs. Brakes are not an issue, except if you go deep into infield (1). unless you are really fast stay one width from the apron in NASCAR 1-2 and 3-4.
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Post by racerb on May 17, 2006 13:09:54 GMT -5
Last year the finish of the race was at the s/f flag stand, not at the T/S line. The first time since the spring sprints of the 70's. A new challenge created by Lowes ripping out our loop which is embedded in the track every year for the past several. So we quit installing a new for every event (several hunderd dollars each time) and they finally let us use the Nascar loop. As for set up. closer to positive or zero camber on the left front , not more than 2* negative on the right front. WATCH THE TIRE TEMPS 200 on Hoosiers, way less on others is the MAX. Put all your weight on the nose. Remember turn 1 to turn 5 is very insignificant turn 5 to 1 is all that matters. oh and add rad mesh as the pebbles in the infield will kill your rad.
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Post by pistonwheels on May 17, 2006 21:12:31 GMT -5
We're growing radishes in the infield?
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Post by M REID on May 22, 2006 11:54:31 GMT -5
???WHERE WILL NEXT YEARS JUNE JAM BE HELD, PLEASE..... NOT CMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by Todd Carter on May 24, 2006 12:23:51 GMT -5
When will the registration for the June Jam be up?
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Post by Pistonwheels2 on May 25, 2006 12:00:54 GMT -5
As usual, we are short of people volunteering to help the club.
So, I'm doing the Race Chair work again. Registration will open as soon as I get around to sending a check to National Office and they send the Sanction numbers back. Can't open registration until we have the sanction nos.
I expect it will be on dlbracing web-site soo. But not until after Memorial week-end.
T&S will be at the start/finish line. I was out at the track Tuesday. The surface should be faster so expect to see some new lap records. It is smoother on the oval (infield wasn't resurfaced this year).
Also will be reminding y'all drivers to take care on the Turn into the infield course (turn 1), because of probable extra speed, but hopefully the surface will also be nice and sticky.
Martin.
Chief bottle-washer.
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Post by Todd Carter on May 29, 2006 14:14:21 GMT -5
It was good meeting you at CMP Martin. I'm Todd the guy that was helping Dave that weekend. Well, at least Friday - Sunday. I'm not there today.  |
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Post by cec97 on May 30, 2006 9:59:19 GMT -5
will cmp memorial monster results be posted on MYLAPS
thanks
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Post by butchkummer on May 30, 2006 13:05:20 GMT -5
Martin (or whomever),
I know you guys are still recovering from CMP, but any idea when the Supps and schedule will be ready for Lowe's?
In the past I understand that Saturday is SARRC day while Sunday (afternoon) is CCPS and ECR. That makes it a lot easier for those of us from out of town, so is that what's planned for 2006?
Thanks,
Butch
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Post by Hap Waldrop on Nov 16, 2006 10:41:57 GMT -5
Just curious, how many entries were at this event this year. Forever this has been the lowest attended event in the SEDIV.
Maybe CCR needs to realize, not many of us want to race here and it's time to give this place up.
Hap Waldrop
CCR member
SCCA member# 205999
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Post by pistonwheels on Nov 16, 2006 13:40:13 GMT -5
I don't have the entry count to hand but I can say that this event was more successful than last year. I know the ECR entries were up and that race was very well received - primarily I think because it was moved to Saturday.
You say that many people don't want to race at Lowe's, but when I go around and talk to participants - which I do a lot at our events - the feedback has been that they enjoy the event and that they want to come back.
Now that's a straw poll I know and only references those who ARE there (and not those that stay away), but the event is also still financially viable for CCR and as long as it meets those two criteria - adequate entries and adequate revenue - we will continue to put on events there.
One factor is that if we ever give up club raccing at Lowe's, it could be extremely difficult to get back there.
The main obstacle to our continuing to race at Lowe's would be the track (and SMI's) insurance requirements and restrictions.
In 2006 we also staged an autocross on the infield at the same time as the race, and feedback from those autox participants was so good that it serves as a great way to encourage autoxers to get involved in road racing, whether as corner workers, other official position or even to racing. I know we gained two corner workers and someone interested in Timing from that one event!
Sincerely,
Martin Bartlett
CCR R.E.
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Post by Hap Waldrop on Nov 16, 2006 15:03:12 GMT -5
Martin, this has consitently been the lowest tuned out race in SEDIV. Was it not just a few years ago SEDIV records showed the entries under 100. I can understand your deisre for an autocross there, you have a big solo following in Charlotte, Maybe a HPDE in conjuntion with the weekend could up entires.
Here's my personal opinion of the place, I raced there maybe 20 times, won there atleast a dozen times, and if I never go back, that's ok, but I feel the same way about Daytona and Rockingham as well, rovals make for boring racetracks.
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Post by Hap Waldrop on Nov 17, 2006 7:35:09 GMT -5
After a night sleep, here are some more thoughts on Lowes and why I think club racing there has seen it's better days there and should be ceased. First off polling drivers, the very few, that did come to Lowes is not an effective way to get a real picture on why racers don't want to come there, go to Road Atlanta or VIR, where they have 200+ entries and ask those racers why they don't come to Lowes, that will tell you the real picture. Here are my thought of why I don't care if I ever come back.
It's a boring configuration. I won there many times, so my sauces there has nothing to do with thoughts of the place, Last time I raced there I won by over half a lap in a 3 car field in what is the SCCA's most popular production class.
It's a dangerous place, you can get killed or injured at Lowes alot quicker than you can at CMP. We wrote off a $35K car there 3 years ago, I said then that was it for me, we were' dam lucky the driver didn't get killed. If this accident had occurred at CMP, we may have suffered $1000 worth of damage not a totaled car and a driver in the ambulance.
In in closing if I read through this forum, I get the idea, alot of workers and volunteers prefer Lowes over CMP because they can sleep in their own beds at night, but is it worth destroyed race cars and injured drivers for that convenience?
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Post by markt on Nov 17, 2006 14:50:57 GMT -5
As one who attended the AutoX held in conjunction, a few observations...
This was a short-notice, non-points AutoX. Only 102 entries showed up, last Sunday we had 151 with times at Knights. If this is on the AutoX sked for '07 I wouldn't be suprised to see over 200 entries. If we could do it as a 2-day event(NCAC?) the turnout could even be higher.
A well publicized HPDE(TT?) could bring in even more. However, is safety an issue for these events?
To Hap's point, did the softwalls exist at the time of the incident and would they have even come into play?
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Post by russ33 on Nov 17, 2006 17:51:08 GMT -5
I've been driving there since 1979 and I love it. I won my first National there in the rain. Yes ,it is dangerous, but since they took out the Dip at Road Atlanta, this is the last BIG pucker thrill in racing around here.
Russ
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Post by Hap Waldrop on Nov 19, 2006 7:20:45 GMT -5
Russ next time when you there see if you see any soft walls on the back straight inside walls, they were not there in 2004.
Yes a HPDE, combined autocross may be the answer for Lowes, but autocross entries fee are not like road racing entries fees, so at $25 a car, you got have a buttload more than a road race, so maybe a ECR in with it as well to get the money up. But the normal SARRC classes are just not showing up and haven't been for years now.
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Post by johnhammer on Nov 19, 2006 13:48:55 GMT -5
I recently moved here to North Carolina from West Michigan Region where I was blessed to have 2 great tracks within an hour's drive of my home and 5 tracks within a 3 hour tow. I'd love to see events continue at LMS simply because it's another opportunity to race. Cetainly, there is a danger using a Roval, but there is danger at any event. I watched a Porsche GT3 get totalled at VIR earlier this season, it's the nature of our sport.
I understand Russ' idea about the Pucker Factor; if you ever get the chance, try Turn 3 at Grattan in Michigan; off camber, downhill, blind apex & pray no one's wrecked on the exit of it because you won't know until you're there!
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Post by markt on Nov 19, 2006 16:34:30 GMT -5
If the AutoX is the NCAC you could expect close to 200 entrants(perhaps more) at $50ea., granted, not RR costs but a nice chunck of change none the less with minimal expense.
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