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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 8:42:19 GMT -5
Should we re-think the logistics of the running of the 24? 130+ (entries to this point) cars will make for some extremely long lines.
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 10:32:04 GMT -5
Not everyone is going to be there at 12:00. Many won't show until evening, some not until Sunday. I doubt we'll have 130 cars ready to go on Saturday at noon.
At Dixie there were long lines, but we took care of it. The deal was 3 or 4 cars were pulled off the grid, they got 2 run, then back in line. 4 more cars, 2 runs each, back in line.... rinse and repeate as needed!
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 10:34:11 GMT -5
but at Dixie....how many entries were there? Half or so?
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 10:44:35 GMT -5
Point in question.
There will be fewer 2-driver cars than there will be single driver cars, and there will be a 2 driver line on the grid as I understand it.
Do the 2 driver cars continuously circulate during the event, or do the 2-driver cars go through their intial runs then have to wait for all of the single cars to run before they take their next runs?
Will it be an advantage to me to sign a co-driver so I can get in the shorter line?
Also, is the 2-driver line reserved for 2-driver entries, or do "joy riders" get to move into the 2-driver line?
How can you track that to make sure it's equitable?
I can see a potental disadvantage for those of us in single entry cars whom are treating this event as a serious autocross.
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Post by sleeper on Aug 30, 2006 11:13:30 GMT -5
The grid workers are the key here. They have to keep track of the two driver cars and make sure that they each get a turn for every one driver car, just like a regular autox.
I'm only running the second block (midnight to noon) because the first block is usually more crowded.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 11:18:16 GMT -5
The grid workers are the key here. They have to keep track of the two driver cars and make sure that they each get a turn for every one driver car, just like a regular autox. That's not the problem....that's 180 degrees out. I see a much greater potential for the opposite thing happening. If you've got 30 drivers in 2-driver cars, and over 100 in single cars, do they have to wait? |
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Post by racerjon1 on Aug 30, 2006 11:27:29 GMT -5
The way it has been done int he past is 4 lines... with 2 driver cars going every other line or something similar.. No, joyriders do not get to go int he 2-driver line. (event organizers that work the whole day do i think though, or have int he past.. guys like Rankins and such that will work for 50 hours of the 24.
For those that haven't done it, don't worry so much, there are periods of eb and flow where the lines are longer and shorter.. and it works out in the end.
Jon
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 11:39:10 GMT -5
but at Dixie....how many entries were there? Half or so? Um, no, there were over 150. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 11:44:27 GMT -5
If you've got 30 drivers in 2-driver cars, and over 100 in single cars, do they have to wait? You're not going to have all 30 show up to run at the same time. It just won't happen. Single dirver cars will have one grid line, 2 drivers another. Each car gets its run (or runs if we do 3 runs like at Dixie). Then you get back in line. For the 2 driver cars, one driver will get his runs, then wait for part of the 1 driver grid to empty. Then the 2nd driver will get his runs. That's how I'd think it would work... but I don't work grid and I'm not the event chair. |
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Post by specvinsc on Aug 30, 2006 11:49:45 GMT -5
These logistical "problems" are the very reason I(and Teresa) will NOT be attending. I too tried last year to treat this event as a serious autocross. Left early, registered, walked the track, worked the first two hours, and then I was ready for driving. I took one warm-up lap and then my 5 that counted. Teresa also drove during this time... From the first pass to the last more than 6 hours went by....... And we were IN the two driver line!
Sure there are times when the line isn't as bad...But other times it seems that every car registered is in line! It just takes too long in-between runs!
Those that know me know that I wouldn't be missing a event 'cause I enjoy driving too much.......But, this event(the 24 hours) is just not fun to me.......
Don Bruner , Jr.
Pro 45GS
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 11:54:30 GMT -5
Yeah.....the fact that this farce is a points event is ridiculous.
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 11:56:20 GMT -5
Nobody is twisting anyones arm to show up... if you don't like it, don't attend... and quit bitching.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 11:59:26 GMT -5
but at Dixie....how many entries were there? Half or so? Um, no, there were over 150. I sure don't remember that. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 12:00:04 GMT -5
Nobody is twisting anyones arm to show up... if you don't like it, don't attend... and quit pregnant doging. And don't worry....I will show up. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 12:00:56 GMT -5
I was at Dixie from 11:00 am - 11:00 pm and don't remember seeing you there. On Saturday there were a lot of cars there.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 12:01:49 GMT -5
I was at Dixie from 11:00 am - 11:00 pm and don't remember seeing you there. On Saturday there were a lot of cars there. I read the results.....I don't remember 150 entries. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 12:09:19 GMT -5
Since we don't have results on the web site any longer, I can't say for sure.
I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you JB. I'm done.
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 12:13:24 GMT -5
Nobody is twisting anyones arm to show up... if you don't like it, don't attend... and quit pregnant doging. And don't worry....I will show up. I just hope your C Steet Prep Miata is cool with the other 6 STS2 entries. Fine... I've switch to CSP-Tire so it won't upset you... |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 12:15:12 GMT -5
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Post by sleeper on Aug 30, 2006 12:39:24 GMT -5
Yeah.....the fact that this farce is a points event is ridiculous. C'mon John, I think it's a bit extreme to call one of our premier events a "farce"...of course not everyone is going to be happy at any autox, but the majority from what I gather always enjoy this event. I know I have in the past, I look forward to it every year. If you go in with a bad attitude chances are you won't have as much fun. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 12:54:08 GMT -5
Thank you Steve!!
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 13:28:35 GMT -5
C'mon John, I think it's a bit extreme to call one of our premier events a "farce"...of course not everyone is going to be happy at any autox, but the majority from what I gather always enjoy this event. I know I have in the past, I look forward to it every year. If you go in with a bad attitude chances are you won't have as much fun. Yes...it probably is extreme. But from the questions that keep being asked....there seems to be a great mis-understanding of what is going on, and I'm not hearing good answers to those questions. The unknown can create challenges for which you are not prepared, and our (Solo) lack of representation regarding input into the website probably intensifies that mis-understanding. Maybe I'll think it's the most wonderful event in the world once I experience it, but until then, it simply seems like a great big "black hole" in the autocross universe. |
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Post by ROADBOY on Aug 30, 2006 15:40:19 GMT -5
Hmmm, reading all of this, I'm not sure if I want to say somthing or not.
I think its a shame that we would alowe somone to get so frustrated that they would chose to not be in this event. We should try to work out the problems. I think the issue of run times and grid organization may have to be figured out as we get started.
One big part will be no down time. Between individual runs, worker switchout, cone shaging(that means pay attention and reset quickly), and other processes of the event.
Just my $ .02
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 16:09:43 GMT -5
Hmmm, reading all of this, I'm not sure if I want to say somthing or not. I think its a shame that we would alowe somone to get so frustrated that they would chose to not be in this event. We should try to work out the problems. I think the issue of run times and grid organization may have to be figured out as we get started. One big part will be no down time. Between individual runs, worker switchout, cone shaging(that means pay attention and reset quickly), and other processes of the event. Just my $ .02 Exalt |
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Post by lagunamiata on Aug 30, 2006 18:00:22 GMT -5
Hmmm lets see...
Normal AX, get there at 8:00, end up in group last, sit around till 2:00, get 4 runs, clean up, hang around for trophies, leave around 4:00 if you're lucky. If you're lucky your in group 1 or 2 but still have to hang around to do your worker assignment (unless you're a jacka$$ and bail after your runs). So, that's 8 hours, 4 runs.
6 runs in 6 hours at the 24... sounds better to me.
Last year I was there from 11 - 11 and probably did 12 runs, I pretty much stopped counting after 10.
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Post by C4Shane on Aug 30, 2006 19:45:49 GMT -5
OK - I have tried to stay silent and maybe I should continue to do so. But, any way you slice it - if you come prepared to run a 12 hour session - or the entire 24, you will get more runs in than at any other event - period. We will do our best to work out the grid issues, which actually went smoothly at Dixie - other than the usual crush during the first 4 - 6 hours or so when everyone wants to get out there. And, we had a LOT of folks - Dixie was very popular with the entire parking area full with cars for the event - we were certainly in the range of entries we have for this weekend.
I hate that anyone thinks it is a "farce" or that it doesn't deserve to be a points event. It is unique - it is a lot of fun - and I love that this event lets me have time to go around and meet everyone and talk cars. The other thing I like is that as a worker steward, I can spend some time monitoring what goes on at the grid and other worker positions. Last year we worked very hard to provide an equal number of runs for the single vs. two-driver cars. I hope Don B. shows up as it really is a blast of an event.
If you really don't like the long lines - drop in a bit later and enjoy the light lines late evening and early morning. May not work for everyone - but it does help spread the load.
Finally, I guess my $0.02 worth is that we are there to enjoy our cars, friends, and to go fast. I would encourage anyone who hasn't done it before and come out and have a blast. I hate that a few folks feel they have not had a very positive experience, but I think a large majority of competitors would consider this a favorite event - I know I do.
If you don't understand how this event works, please - please read some of the other threads that discuss the format. It is really simple. And, you will get a lot of run time and a chance to play with your car all day.
Come on out and have some fun!
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Post by specvinsc on Aug 30, 2006 21:02:01 GMT -5
Hmmm lets see... Normal AX, get there at 8:00, end up in group last, sit around till 2:00, get 4 runs, clean up, hang around for trophies, leave around 4:00 if you're lucky. If you're lucky your in group 1 or 2 but still have to hang around to do your worker assignment (unless you're a jacka$$ and bail after your runs). So, that's 8 hours, 4 runs. 6 runs in 6 hours at the 24... sounds better to me. Last year I was there from 11 - 11 and probably did 12 runs, I pretty much stopped counting after 10. Uh,...... You're counting the whole day, Rich. I was talking about when we BEGAN our runs and when we FINISHED them...... If I was going to count the whole day, well.... When was the last time you spent 6(or 8) hours in a run group??? More like an hour or an hour and fifteen minutes.......... I never once stated that the grid didn't run smoothly...Heck, I worked grid for the first two hours! It's just that there were too many cars and with each driver taking TWO runs each time out, it was forever when your slot was up again.......If it was 50 cars in line... 50x2=100 100 runs before YOUR next run. The 24 hours is also a little strange in that you can take 20 runs before you decide to "count' one.... Last time I checked, this is clearly in violation of Solo II rules. Shouldn't your first 5 or whatever runs be the ones that count? Then you could take as many runs as you would like....... We(Team Bruner) compete in 3 different regions. We love the folks that are at solo events-THEY'RE THE BEST! We wouldn't miss a good autocross for anything! But, with that being said, we will not be attending the "24 Hour" autocross. Sincerely, Don Bruner, Jr. Pro 45GS |
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Post by damnyankee on Aug 30, 2006 21:50:58 GMT -5
I have COMPLETE faith in you Shane!!! You'll make sure the grid workers will get us out. Personally, I am looking forward to this event!!
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Post by smetzger on Aug 30, 2006 21:55:31 GMT -5
Um, no, there were over 150. I sure don't remember that. I have the results saved on my disk. 108 entries. I thought the gridding worked well last year. I just got back in line after my two runs, made sure I knew which car was in the front of my line, watched from the bleachers, and when I saw the car in fron of my line go I knew it was time to move my car up. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 30, 2006 22:04:23 GMT -5
I have the results saved on my disk. 108 entries. Thanks, Scott. |
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