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Post by sleeper on Oct 7, 2007 16:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by Warp3 on Oct 7, 2007 18:21:34 GMT -5
Ugh...not having 5 entrants today killed us.  Well that and Bill (from Team Beer) outrunning me in D-Stock...LOL  |
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Post by dstan on Oct 7, 2007 18:58:00 GMT -5
what team Subaru? 4 out of 12 is not really that great
No offence to anyone that showed up.
and I think our ringers are really needed for the November event
Did I really get the fastest Pax?? That can't be right.
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Post by sleeper on Oct 7, 2007 19:03:05 GMT -5
what team Subaru? 4 out of 12 is not really that great No offence to anyone that showed up. and I think our ringers are really needed for the November event Did I really get the fastest Pax?? That can't be right. Give yourself credit, you ran really great today. What happened to Matt, I thought he was going to be at the event for sure. |
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Post by dstan on Oct 7, 2007 19:46:04 GMT -5
Thanks Steve That means alot.
I just hate when I make stupid mistakes!
I went in too hot on the pivot my last 2 runs.
once in the Grit your run is....... Crap
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Post by taxidriver on Oct 7, 2007 20:58:44 GMT -5
So Team Nissan locked up the team championship today.
Way to go Team Nissan!!!
Congratulations to teams Subaru & Europe for good seasons. You guys put up a valiant effort, but Team Nissan wins the first CCR team title.
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Post by Sisko99 on Oct 8, 2007 7:06:28 GMT -5
I hope this year's Team Competition has shown everyone who didn't participate that anything can happen. We had a really close race down the stretch here. Hopefully we'll be able to expand it for next season with some more teams and really see things heat up.
While first might be determined.....Team Europe and Team Subaru still have to duke it out for second at Greenville since only 2 points seperate them.
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Post by ncteg91 on Oct 8, 2007 10:16:30 GMT -5
Yea don't start a team with 5 members from the same class...I had a lot of fun doing this. Next year just need to be careful about who gets on what team. We have I think three or four members who were one and done with CCR events.
We should just grab everyone next year who wants in and have a draft. That way no one team gets 3 or 4 ringers.
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Post by sleeper on Oct 8, 2007 11:59:32 GMT -5
Some good thoughts there, we can continue discussing it.
As everyone can now clearly see, having fast drivers on your team is not the only factor, it's also vital to get drivers that make every event.
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Post by ccytrader on Oct 8, 2007 12:26:22 GMT -5
You could probably have anyone who is interested in being on a team sign up on a main list, then select some people who want to be captains get together and develop a sort of simple rating system for drivers with some criteria based on their performance, participation and so on to form your 'draft' list.
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Post by crash477 on Oct 8, 2007 12:52:05 GMT -5
wow
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Post by Sisko99 on Oct 8, 2007 14:07:27 GMT -5
I would say that having some draft takes some of the fun out of this. The whole idea was for each team to have some sort of unifying principle (anything at all...beer to car make). You lose a lot of that by going to a draft and I think that takes some of the fun out of it. Another thing you lose is the chance to built a team of friends...as you'll have no control on who's on your team (other than the Captain of course).
Those are just my intial thoughts.....but in the end I'll go along with what the group wants to do. I just think that those changes will make this much more serious than it was intended to be.
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Post by sleeper on Oct 8, 2007 14:47:03 GMT -5
Don't forget guys, there are MANY good drivers with good attendance records who did not participate in team competition this year.
I bet a majority of these drivers would like to join a team next season.
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Post by Warp3 on Oct 8, 2007 15:17:52 GMT -5
I agree with Sisko...the concept of a team draft seems to make the team competition overly complicated considering this is all just intended to be a "fun" thing anyway. Also, like he noted, several of the teams have unique links in their team's nature (car marquee, car country, beverage choice, etc.) which would be rendered moot by this change.
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Post by integra55 on Oct 8, 2007 16:19:12 GMT -5
So Team Nissan locked up the team championship today. Way to go Team Nissan!!! Congratulations to teams Subaru & Europe for good seasons. You guys put up a valiant effort, but Team Nissan wins the first CCR team title. congrats to team Nissan... but keep in mind that the competition is not over... team Rising Tsunami appears to be trying to slip past TEAM BEER and snatch last place.... this can only be settled in the last race... so Team Rising Tsunami BRING IT ON !!!!! we of TEAM BEER will make sure we are sloshed and ready for you ;D ;D |
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Post by ccytrader on Oct 8, 2007 16:30:48 GMT -5
Sorry, maybe my use of the word 'draft' was off base vs what I was getting at and not knowing where ncteg91 was going I cant speak for him. My only point was if you go through and look at things like participation and performance, you could form a much more 'educated' list of possible team members. Looking at participation for this year, the winning team relied very heavily on 6 out of their 12 members based just on the logic of 4 people being at every event and 2 being at 7 events. If you have 5 teams of 12 people each you are bound to have some people that dont make every event, especially when you have a couple hundred different people come out each year and roughly 60 or so that make enough events in the year to qualify for a season trophy.
Just my outside observation on possible ways to help teams from getting crushed next year.
And in case anyone wonders
Team Beer
8 events - 5 people
7 events - 2 "
4 events - 3
3 events - 1
0 events - 1
Team Europe
7 events - 4
6 events - 2
5 events - 1
3 events - 2
2 events - 3
Team Nissan
8 events - 4
7 events - 2
4 events - 1
3 events - 2
2 events - 1
Team Rising Tsunami
8 events - 1
7 events - 2
6 events - 1
5 events - 2
3 events - 3
2 events - 2
1 event - 1
Team Subaru
8 events - 1
7 events - 1
6 events - 2
5 events - 3
4 events - 2
3 events - 1
2 events - 1
1 event - 1
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Post by ncteg91 on Oct 8, 2007 19:47:03 GMT -5
Yea I can see where the "draft" idea would take away from the fun. Maybe it just needs to be done very careful in who gets put on the team. I know in our case it was a rush just to get people on the team so at the first event we were picking any person there who was interested. Hopefully like Steve said, more people now know about the team comp. and will want to compete next year. I mean we do need to remember this is the very first year and there are still a lot of kinks to work out.
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Post by sleeper on Oct 8, 2007 21:33:26 GMT -5
Parity is very important to the team competition. There's nothing more boring than one team dominating, it takes the fun out of the entire concept.
There is already one measure in place to promote parity. Since the five pax times that count have to come from five unique classes, it prevents for example, several pro drivers from forming their own team.
In my opinion, that should really be the only restriction. I think it is very possible for team captains to take the time to recruit good drivers with good attendance from many different classes. Besides, now that everyone knows how this works, we can start forming teams well before the season starts.
If in 2008 there is one team that all the other teams consider unfair, well, we can cross that bridge when we get there. I'm confident we can create enough parity to make next season fun for all drivers involved.
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Post by dstan on Oct 8, 2007 21:58:46 GMT -5
I think attendance is the killing point for the clubs
why not allow more people per club to allow for some overlap
but still take the 5 or 6 best times.
No one can make Every event so a good backup is important.
I can see that team Subaru didn't have the attendance that team Beer had.
If we are all putting money to join a team we should also say we will be there because if we aren't that means our team mates wasted their money.
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Post by sleeper on Oct 9, 2007 7:55:42 GMT -5
Very good points David. It's actually quite simple, if you only plan on attending a few events next season, then it's not really fair to the other drivers if you join a team.
It's up to the team captains, but the general rule of thumb should be something like: if you don't plan on making at least 5 or more events then you probably won't be invited to join a team.
Having said that, 12 max drivers on a roster is plenty and should stay the same, in my opinion. Look at Team Nissan, we had a 10 man roster and the best attendance.
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Post by C4Shane on Oct 10, 2007 20:04:24 GMT -5
Team Beer had a twelve pack....burp...and then we picked our members using a very rigorous process including detailed interviews....well, actually we took the first 12 guys that emailed me.....
And, one didn't show up at all. Too bad, he was going to bring a big, thumping stock car to the event. That woulda been fun.
But - I think we demonstrated the spirit of what the team idea was all about which was to find a way to make AX just a little more fun. So, instead of just cheering yourself (and family members or friends) to do well - you got to have a lot of fun rooting for your whole team. Yup, if you end up winning in the end there will be prizes, etc...but I would like to think it has given me (and hopefully all of you) a chance to spend some time and share experiences with some new folks, and a few old ones. I have enjoyed being involved in Team Beer - and am proud to declare...
THIS BUD'S FOR YOU!!!!!
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Post by integra55 on Oct 11, 2007 8:37:18 GMT -5
I loved being part of TEAM BEER this year.. the only regret is living so far away so unable to make the "planning" sessions ;D
hope to be invited to TEAM BEER again next year
yea go TEAM BEER
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Post by MrsVlad on Oct 11, 2007 9:02:40 GMT -5
Yo, we still have an event left this year.
It aint over 'till the fat lady sings.
I'm looking forward to the awards.
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Post by fluid1 on Oct 11, 2007 9:08:02 GMT -5
I definitely like the way it was setup and run this season. In my opinion, it was pretty fair the way it was, as far as the general rules go. I think that the teams can be shaken up, add new teams and members next year, and keep the rule set.
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Post by philip1 on Oct 11, 2007 17:07:17 GMT -5
I think I will either skip the team thing next year or choose one because there is a snowball's chance in heck of placing well. In all likelyhood I will not be on a "team". I have so much fun just racing. Perhaps next year I'll have a more competitive car... we'll see. More importantly the driver of said car needs to get better. Next year yah hehehe.
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Post by C4Shane on Oct 11, 2007 21:41:35 GMT -5
I don't think I will wait till next year for a beer...gonna have one now!!!
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Post by dstan on Oct 11, 2007 21:46:53 GMT -5
Very good points David. It's actually quite simple, if you only plan on attending a few events next season, then it's not really fair to the other drivers if you join a team. It's up to the team captains, but the general rule of thumb should be something like: if you don't plan on making at least 5 or more events then you probably won't be invited to join a team. Having said that, 12 max drivers on a roster is plenty and should stay the same, in my opinion. Look at Team Nissan, we had a 10 man roster and the best attendance. yea but look at where all of team Subaru are coming from.... we have people from all over so that tends to hinder attendance It is sorta like all the Charlotte people saying Greenville is too far when alot of people find it closer than going to Charlotte. how about move the team limits to 15 and still allow the 5 fastest pax times. just a thought from a X-nOOb |
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Post by VpointVick on Oct 11, 2007 22:22:01 GMT -5
Of course maybe we should've thought a bit about it at the beginning, too.
We knew at the beginning of the year that Tara would be lucky to make more than one, and Greg was iffy even before he sold his wagon.
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Post by Warp3 on Oct 12, 2007 8:14:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I figured Tara would at least make a couple events, though...especially since she lives closer now...guess she was just too busy this season. :-\
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Post by fluid1 on Oct 12, 2007 10:26:49 GMT -5
Very good points David. It's actually quite simple, if you only plan on attending a few events next season, then it's not really fair to the other drivers if you join a team. It's up to the team captains, but the general rule of thumb should be something like: if you don't plan on making at least 5 or more events then you probably won't be invited to join a team. Having said that, 12 max drivers on a roster is plenty and should stay the same, in my opinion. Look at Team Nissan, we had a 10 man roster and the best attendance. yea but look at where all of team Subaru are coming from.... we have people from all over so that tends to hinder attendance It is sorta like all the Charlotte people saying Greenville is too far when alot of people find it closer than going to Charlotte. how about move the team limits to 15 and still allow the 5 fastest pax times. just a thought from a X-nOOb It's a NC based club. Greenville is in SC. 15 people per team is way too much. I think 12 is nearly too much. Team captains have only themselves to thank for picking drivers who do not attend many/all events. IMHO. Where did Austin Smith go? He's a pretty good driver but only showed at about half the events. |
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