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Post by lagunamiata on Sept 29, 2012 9:30:49 GMT -5
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Post by ball80 on Sept 29, 2012 15:38:48 GMT -5
Ok why can't autox have this same system!??!?
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Post by lilgunny on Sept 29, 2012 17:18:07 GMT -5
They do at the national events and such...live streaming of video and announcing at event to. prolly could happen at regional events if enough time and money...
LilGunny
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Post by czrider on Sept 29, 2012 22:35:37 GMT -5
Were these times in the wet?
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Post by ball80 on Sept 30, 2012 10:06:33 GMT -5
I'm talking about at a ccr autox
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Post by philip1 on Sept 30, 2012 15:36:16 GMT -5
Because....
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Post by ball80 on Sept 30, 2012 19:08:26 GMT -5
Because why? Hill climb is a ccr event. So is autox. So how do they have live timing ?
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Post by philip1 on Sept 30, 2012 20:46:02 GMT -5
Time and uninterrupted concentration would make it happen. Our best minds don't have that. If you want live timing, make it happen.
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Post by z3elda on Sept 30, 2012 22:37:31 GMT -5
Time and uninterrupted concentration would make it happen. Our best minds don't have that. If you want live timing, make it happen. Ding! Winner! |
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Post by Steve Eckerich on Oct 1, 2012 0:57:31 GMT -5
No special equipment. I brought a couple Verizon 4G jet packs so rich could post results to website after each run group. We had the TV, yes the one we bought for AX that you have at every event, set up at bottom hooked to another 4g displaying the website and anyone could look on their smart phone. The special equipment we had were good staff. I am sure Rich can fill you in on details.
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Post by srduck on Oct 1, 2012 6:50:12 GMT -5
Because why? Hill climb is a ccr event. So is autox. So how do they have live timing ? Want to donate some reliable MiFi hotspots to me? I had everything set up at the 24, but couldn't get enough signal to make it actually upload the results. |
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Post by lagunamiata on Oct 1, 2012 7:22:39 GMT -5
Only issue doing it at the AX is because we run our own private wireless network. The hotspot acts as a gateway, just like the wireless network... so you can either get out on the Internet through the hotspot or talk to the rest of the timing system.
At the hillclimb we ran just one laptop for timing, so no wireless network to deal with.
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Post by srduck on Oct 1, 2012 7:43:03 GMT -5
Only issue doing it at the AX is because we run our own private wireless network. The hotspot acts as a gateway, just like the wireless network... so you can either get out on the Internet through the hotspot or talk to the rest of the timing system. At the hillclimb we ran just one laptop for timing, so no wireless network to deal with. I was trying it USB tethered to my Android phone, though we COULD if necessary use a 4G MiFi and just plug one of the laptops into the wireless router in the trailer. The problem is that the RF gods fight us at every event. Whether it's trying to get our simple handheld radios to establish comms with all the corner stations at zMax and CMP, trying to get the TLinks to work for a hillclimb, or trying to get enough cell phone service to upload a simple 20k file to a web server.... radio signal is an elusive beast who causes many headaches. The few events I've tried to set up live timing solutions have failed, unfortunately. First was ZMax in August when I was just going to do a local WiFi so you'd join your phone to it and bam... results show up. Unfortunately due to a licensing glitch, we were missing the Live Results module.... no go. At the 24, we had the licensing module in place correctly and were dumping results correctly. I was using my laptop as the announce computer for uploading results, my phone tethered via USB, and my web server (since I don't have the login/pass for the CCR server) for hosting... and had successfully demoed it to Licursi, AJ, Phil, and Josh at the core worker meeting the weekend before. Unfortunately thanks to a lack of cooperation from the RF gods, I gave up after about 3 hours of trying to get live results properly uploaded. We DID, however, have a laptop set up under an EZ-Up (also consequently my EZ-Up since the club's didn't get back in the trailer after the CMS race) displaying results when the timing computers dumped them every minute or so. Sadly, it crashed at some point around my 23rd straight hour awake and when I was finally notified of it somewhere around hour 29, I was too tired and cranky to go through setting it all back up. So if you (Travis) can come up with a better solution, or perhaps want to make a blood sacrifice to the RF Gods to appease them and dull their anger towards us.... please... by all means... do. Since I took over as AutoX timing chief, I've been working towards a solution. Unfortunately, there's that old saying about "best laid plans" that has rung all too true. I will make another attempt of it at the Novice School and ZMax, but if see me in the trailer cursing like a sailor at a computer... cut me some slack, ok? |
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Post by lagunamiata on Oct 1, 2012 8:12:25 GMT -5
And don't ask about the display data cable... thanks to whoever packed it at the last event, the cable was broken - at both ends - and we had to repair it at the hillclimb.
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Post by highwayracer on Oct 1, 2012 9:05:39 GMT -5
Makes me remember why I quit being Auto-X chair.
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Post by lagunamiata on Oct 1, 2012 9:27:54 GMT -5
Makes me remember why I quit being Auto-X chair. Did we tell you Blair?? You're taking over!! LOL!!! I'm not longer SOLO chair, but if it needs to be fixed, you gotta do it! |
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Post by PinkBimmer on Oct 1, 2012 9:44:18 GMT -5
And don't ask about the display data cable... thanks to whoever packed it at the last event, the cable was broken - at both ends - and we had to repair it at the hillclimb. And Rich and Rich spent hours trying to get the cable fixed and they did, so if it a tad bit shorter then it used to be just don't ask  As long as it works. Steven has spent hours at home playing with the live timing for Auto X , and it can work at home just not at events yet... We will get the issued resolved, it just takes time and everyone will need to be patient with Steven while he works on a solution with some possible help from anyone who is willing to help out..... Even though both events use AxWare doesn't mean the timing is setup the same. |
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Post by highwayracer on Oct 1, 2012 9:59:54 GMT -5
Makes me remember why I quit being Auto-X chair. Did we tell you Blair?? You're taking over!! LOL!!! I'm not longer SOLO chair, but if it needs to be fixed, you gotta do it! Not me. This is Larry. Blair can do it if he wants to. I don't care if it gets fixed. I'm just remembering why I quit caring if it was fixed or not. The one thing I learned from my many years as Auto-X chair, TT chair and BOD member, is that no matter what you do, somebody's going to complain. Usually, the loudest complainers are the ones least willing to be a part of the solution. But then, as a former and former yourself, you know what I mean. These days, I'm happy to drive and try to keep Blair (the Spoon) under control. I don't try too hard, though. Usually, if Blair's getting ready to tell someone what he thinks, they need to hear it. |
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Post by markt on Oct 1, 2012 10:11:42 GMT -5
The live timing at the hill climb was nice...but...times were posted only after the group was done(this is not a complaint, just an observation) so it came in as merely "that's nice" info. I don't know if Mr. Duck is talking about having stuff pop up when a person finishes their run at an autocross so this comment may be irrelevant.
Most of the people running autocross seem to have friends in tow. If you do, make a sheet ahead of the event with known competitors' numbers listed(a simple word or spread sheet doc works great, you can have a template with most known folks already listed) and a place to write times for 6 or more runs. Have your friend watch the timing display and relay their times. This will give you real time info that will let you know what you need to shoot for. Also, if they're near the timing slip hander outer, they will also know the cone calls.
I know this is a crude way to do things, no electrons involved, but you don't have to depend on anything but the actual timing display and not a series of wifimifi4gwhizbang computer networks to function properly to get the info that you actually need.
Don't let technology distract you from what is important...RACING!
PS: Word to Mr. Duck, quit playing with the timing at home and play with Mrs. Duck instead...
Old Coot now stepping off soapbox...
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Post by markt on Oct 1, 2012 10:12:40 GMT -5
And, is there a Raw results list from Dragon III, yet?
Thanks to all who do timing so we can play with our toys.
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Post by lagunamiata on Oct 1, 2012 10:14:55 GMT -5
Duck has the laptops... he should be able to generate the RAW results.
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Post by lagunamiata on Oct 1, 2012 10:22:10 GMT -5
The live timing at the hill climb was nice...but...times were posted only after the group was done(this is not a complaint, just an observation) so it came in as merely "that's nice" info. I don't know if Mr. Duck is talking about having stuff pop up when a person finishes their run at an autocross so this comment may be irrelevant. Live timing is supposed to be the results page. If AXWare is happy (yeah, right!!) it automatically generates and updates the page when we set it to (every minute in this case). BUT as anyone that works with AXWare knows, it doesn't always play nice. It wouldn't auto generate the results, so we had to do it manually. And we were just too busy to do it during a group, so it was done at the end. |
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Post by Steve Eckerich on Oct 1, 2012 10:24:41 GMT -5
I am actually amazed we had the quality of timing we had this weekend with the challenge of getting T-link to work with 2.7 miles of hard wire routed through it. We had to open the case up and use a car battery because the T-link battery lasted only 3 hours. Pouring rain Saturday did not help and we got it fixed about 7:00 Saturday night after finding the connection that was dropping signal. I could add that live timing was the only game in town after we found the printer with empty ink cartridge from last AX and no spare.  We will be working together this off season to get a system of better packing,stocking, and load list for trailers. Thanks to all the workers that made Sunday such a success with dry weather and accurate times. I appreciate everyone that stayed around to pack up so we could wind all the wire back on spools. Vicki and I left the mountain about 9:00 last night. Long fun weekend and looking forward to spring event. |
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Post by srduck on Oct 1, 2012 10:25:23 GMT -5
The live timing at the hill climb was nice...but...times were posted only after the group was done(this is not a complaint, just an observation) so it came in as merely "that's nice" info. I don't know if Mr. Duck is talking about having stuff pop up when a person finishes their run at an autocross so this comment may be irrelevant. Not sure why they were doing it like that at the hillclimb, but AXware can be configured to automatically upload a file to a web server every so often. The lowest it can go is 1 minute, which on a 2+ minute course is PLENTY! This is the way I've tested it and plan to do it in the future, but again... RF demons! Well I was gonna boot up the laptops tonight and upload your results, but if I'm not supposed to play with the timing at home....  I'll get them uploaded and post here when I do |
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Post by PinkBimmer on Oct 1, 2012 10:52:45 GMT -5
Well I was gonna boot up the laptops tonight and upload your results, but if I'm not supposed to play with the timing at home.... I'll get them uploaded and post here when I do You need to create mine and Josh's car magnets for NCAC this weekend, then you can mess with the timing and I'll be 3rd or 4th on your list and thats ok with me for now |
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Post by lagunamiata on Oct 1, 2012 12:33:42 GMT -5
The live timing at the hill climb was nice...but...times were posted only after the group was done(this is not a complaint, just an observation) so it came in as merely "that's nice" info. I don't know if Mr. Duck is talking about having stuff pop up when a person finishes their run at an autocross so this comment may be irrelevant. Not sure why they were doing it like that at the hillclimb, but AXware can be configured to automatically upload a file to a web server every so often. The lowest it can go is 1 minute, which on a 2+ minute course is PLENTY! This is the way I've tested it and plan to do it in the future, but again... RF demons! It was configured, just didn't work... |
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Post by srduck on Oct 1, 2012 12:48:57 GMT -5
Not sure why they were doing it like that at the hillclimb, but AXware can be configured to automatically upload a file to a web server every so often. The lowest it can go is 1 minute, which on a 2+ minute course is PLENTY! This is the way I've tested it and plan to do it in the future, but again... RF demons! It was configured, just didn't work... Meh... it's AXWare. That statement pretty much summarizes everything, doesn't it? |
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Post by highwayracer on Oct 1, 2012 12:50:04 GMT -5
You need to create mine and Josh's car magnets for NCAC this weekend, then you can mess with the timing and I'll be 3rd or 4th on your list and thats ok with me for now Make sure MrsDuckles stays 1st on your list |
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Post by scockrell on Oct 1, 2012 16:24:07 GMT -5
Well guys all I can say about the live timing, from someone who was sitting at home during the hillclimb. It was awesome! Made me feel like I was still a part of the action. Endless hours of planning and fixing it, I personally cannot Thank you enough for all of the hard work that was involved. Kudo's to all involved!
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Post by srduck on Oct 1, 2012 18:19:23 GMT -5
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As long as it works. 
We will be working together this off season to get a system of better packing,stocking, and load list for trailers. Thanks to all the workers that made Sunday such a success with dry weather and accurate times. I appreciate everyone that stayed around to pack up so we could wind all the wire back on spools. Vicki and I left the mountain about 9:00 last night. Long fun weekend and looking forward to spring event. 