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Post by yellow CR on Jan 14, 2013 16:47:19 GMT -5
After discussions at the CCR Awards Banquet Saturday, we decided to add another PAX class for those that want to compete against more drivers and are just not up to the level of the Pro Class.
However we are undecided on what to call it.
Intermediate?
Amateur?
Option?
Thoughts on the name anyone?
And any complaints about the class PM me.
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Post by dasautochris on Jan 14, 2013 17:18:44 GMT -5
I think you guys made the best choice.
As far as names, how about "Welterweight" or "Free-For-All" or "Open-PAX"
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Post by drum3 on Jan 14, 2013 17:23:18 GMT -5
Open Pax
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Post by ball80 on Jan 14, 2013 17:30:27 GMT -5
I think intermediate. Because when someone wins. It has more weight. Like pro class. When you say I won first in pro. It's sounds better than just saying I won first in open pax. I think that for who ever wins, it's prestigious. And it should be something respectful. Not just something like open pax.
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Post by yellow CR on Jan 14, 2013 17:54:38 GMT -5
Just not a fan of an "I" being on the side of the car
I like "O"pen better. or "O"ption
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Post by trdriver on Jan 14, 2013 18:20:48 GMT -5
I like intermediate for the name
as for the letter on the car, wouldn't an "O" look like a zero?
Suggestion:
open event #1 registration ASAP so folks can register, see how others in their class register and decide accordingly which way to go - there's already a whole other thread on that subject for one class.
Cheers,
Jack Mc
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Post by ball80 on Jan 14, 2013 18:24:03 GMT -5
If you would give us a heads up before you open reg. like say it will open at 5pm Friday. Because the first event registers your car number for the year.
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Post by ball80 on Jan 14, 2013 18:25:05 GMT -5
Well your not going to be in the "O"pen class anyways. So you don't have to fret
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Post by srduck on Jan 14, 2013 18:32:21 GMT -5
as for the letter on the car, wouldn't an "O" look like a zero? As the chief of timing, I have no complaints about an O |
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Post by z3elda on Jan 14, 2013 23:32:32 GMT -5
I thought "open" refered to regular SCCA (non-pax) classing? IE: "Open C-Stock".
I vote Intermediate, using a capital "I".
I will probably run in this class, since I may do some car hopping later in the year. So Z3elda would be a "CSI" :-)
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Post by CoolGuy094 on Jan 15, 2013 8:19:56 GMT -5
I assume we are still doing Tire sub-class right? And we aren't changing and rules/classing within Tire to try to follow the RT structure are we?
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Post by jprice130 on Jan 15, 2013 11:03:55 GMT -5
I'm not gung-ho either way, but I'm leaing toward capital "I" for Intermediate.
I also plan to run this class and like the idea that I will be able to change my prep and/or cars during the season and still be able to accumulate points towards this PAX class.
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Post by yellow CR on Jan 15, 2013 12:29:58 GMT -5
Do timing people have any issue with "I" and it being similar to a 1? Intermediate does explain best what the class is about. Anybody running B-Mod "IBM"  And sorry Travis I fret because I have to. Andy, we thought to leave Tire as is. RT is still a PAX class with no difference between RTA, RTF and RTR as far as PAX is concerned. But the RT classes do not account for non-stock cars like yours, and you deserve a place to play. |
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Post by reborn on Jan 15, 2013 13:18:29 GMT -5
I prefer 'I' as well. I like the idea of calling it Intermediate and in doing so I feel like it will make more want to participate and make a go of it rather than running open class with their typical 0-2 competitors.
I also feel like adding an 'I' for people that have their magnets made already may be easier than adding an 'O'. Like in my case i had some extra scrap white magnet material, i can just cut a couple 'I's out of it and sharpie them for color and throw them on if i choose to do so.
Might want to make it a rule that the 'I' or 'O', or w/e the case may be, be placed on the side of the class letters opposite the numbers (ie. IESP49 or 49ESPI) to downplay confusion...just a thought. The class letters are supposed to be smaller by nature anyway so that should help too.
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Post by srduck on Jan 15, 2013 13:18:55 GMT -5
Do timing people have any issue with "I" and it being similar to a 1? As long as the PAX modifier is kept before the class like AJ complains about all the time. ISTX, IBS, ICSP, etc. |
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Post by SE3P on Jan 15, 2013 14:34:58 GMT -5
We'll be make sure to crack down on that in Tech this year!
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Post by r0ssofnc on Jan 15, 2013 15:15:28 GMT -5
Shouldn't the class letters be about half the height of the numbers? If that is followed it should prevent most of the confusion for the corner captains.
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Post by integra55 on Jan 15, 2013 15:21:15 GMT -5
Shouldn't the class letters be about half the height of the numbers? If that is followed it should prevent most of the confusion for the corner captains. not per the SCCA rule book ... class designators = 4" tall and numbers = 8" tall |
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Post by srduck on Jan 15, 2013 16:00:47 GMT -5
Which would be "about half the height"  |
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Post by SE3P on Jan 15, 2013 16:16:03 GMT -5
Wait, let me check your math on that...
8 - 4 = 4
4 + 4 = 8
Yes, you are correct, carry on.
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Post by integra55 on Jan 15, 2013 16:43:50 GMT -5
oops .... eyes have gotten old suddenly (or maybe the brain) ... read that post as saying they should be the same size as the numbers, when in fact , as all ya-ll have pointed out, it actually did say half ... where's the embarrassed emoticon when you need it ?
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Post by yellow CR on Jan 15, 2013 18:08:29 GMT -5
Wait, let me check your math on that... 8 - 4 = 4 4 + 4 = 8 Yes, you are correct, carry on. WOW, Kuhn made a funny |
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Post by ball80 on Jan 15, 2013 18:26:40 GMT -5
Lol that's funny
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Post by r0ssofnc on Jan 15, 2013 18:48:07 GMT -5
oops .... eyes have gotten old suddenly (or maybe the brain) ... read that post as saying they should be the same size as the numbers, when in fact , as all ya-ll have pointed out, it actually did say half ... where's the embarrassed emoticon when you need it ? I just figured with all the back and worth on the topic that everyone was stuck in auto disagree mode. |
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Post by ball80 on Jan 15, 2013 19:02:11 GMT -5
I like IBS. Irritable bowl syndrome. Lol. Poor b stock cars
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Post by integra55 on Jan 15, 2013 19:26:30 GMT -5
not much different from what someone ran in the past ... he ran BS and his # was 100%
so that it read like this ... 100%BS
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Post by Frodo on Jan 16, 2013 9:22:10 GMT -5
I vote for 'Underprepered'
"This is Station 2 +1 on 10 STF(U)"
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Post by CoolGuy094 on Jan 16, 2013 9:40:20 GMT -5
Andy, we thought to leave Tire as is. RT is still a PAX class with no difference between RTA, RTF and RTR as far as PAX is concerned. But the RT classes do not account for non-stock cars like yours, and you deserve a place to play. Thanks for thinking of us mod and prepared people who are too poor to afford slicks! ;D |
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Post by integra55 on Jan 16, 2013 9:56:05 GMT -5
isn't/wasn't RT specifically for the stock class cars ( the extra PAX # being applied to the already PAX time for said classes ) ? and Tire class for all others that wanted to run street tires instead of r-comps ?
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Post by soloracer on Jan 16, 2013 20:37:55 GMT -5
i have a class proposal . To be discussed at the next social before posting here. Don't miss it.
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