CMP-PDE

[crash477]

So Shane where are you staying? The Executive Inn? I need to get a room.

[Warp3]

crash477 said:

So Shane where are you staying? The Executive Inn? I need to get a room.

Me or the Shane in "ze German" car?

I'm probably staying at the Executive Inn (that's where I've stayed every time I've been to CMP thus far). Steven Rankins and some of the other Subaru guys usually stay at the Colony Inn in Camden, but I don't know what their plans for this year are.

[m3]

I'll be at Executive Inn. You just can't argue with $45/night ;D

[damnyankee]

Happy birthday M3!!!

[pistonwheels]

There was a question about entry fee for the TRACK TRIALS - that is $150. Same as last year.

There is a $10 additional fee for transponders, which is to cover insured shipping costs from Topeka and back.

You'll have to leave your Driving Licence with registration when you "borrow" a transponder.
It's not because we really need it, but we wanted the photo's to have something to laugh at while working there.

Martin B.

[pistonwheels]

Two things:

1) I would (strongly) suggest you stay at Colony Inn in Camden. It's much nicer, there are places to eat nearby and it'll be more social, because most people will stay in that area.
Just DON'T SPEED on the road to/from CMp. The Cops love to write tickets on event weekends.

2) Shane, you asked about Novices at the Track Trials. They are allowed. If you have all equipment and car correctly prepared and PAPERWORK, you can run this event as a novice Track Trials entrant. If you want further details email [e-mail], Steven Tompkins is the South East Division Track Trials coordinator.

Martin B.

[pistonwheels]

Oh, you should be able to get a rate at the Colony Inn of about $55. Mention SCCA.

[m3]

If everyone else is going to be at the Colony Inn, I guess I'll give in to peer pressure and change my reservation. ;D

Who's stayin' where?

[C4Shane]

Ok - not to be a stooopie, but I am looking over all this paperwork. It looks like I need to have the car teched before I come to the track...is that true? and if so, where?

[C4Shane]

OK - another question re: the HDPE. I am going to be there to help with registration, etc. so wanted to try to run the fiesta - and get someone to show me what to do to go faster in it. But, I notice that the tech form asks if you have working wipers and brake lights. I don't have either. I think it will pass most of the rest of the stuff. Thanks - I really want to do this with the fiesta.

[crash477]

I also want to know abotu the pre tech. Is that somethign we can do ourselves, or do we actually need to go to a shop and have them do it?

Also, I am not sure where I am staying yet. I may see if someone wants to share a room..

[C4Shane]

yup - if i look over this list correctly, I need brake lights and wipers. I think I can rig a brake light easy enough, but you can forget wipers. Worst case, I bring the slowmaro...the rest of you will get to pass someone that way!

In which case, my NC DOT inspection should be just fine...looks about the same ;D

I'll be staying at the Colony with the registrar!

[loboracer]

I want address the questions on the Tech Inspection Sheet. Safety is the only reason that we ask that this exercise be completed.

My concern is that drivers will be pushing their cars to limits not experienced in normal driving conditions. The average driver can experience speeds reaching 100mph. The faster a driver goes, the harder it will be stop. Brakes must be in top working condition. Brake lines can explode, fluids boil, and normal street pads can be used-up and cooked during one session.

Water hoses are just as important, as the temperature might be warm (lets hope it’s not cold) and cars can and have blown hoses, dumping anti-freeze all over the road. This is just a slippery as oil on the track.

Windshield Wipers will be needed, if it rains. Remember, we also run in the rain. Brakes lights a must function. The average driver depends on brake lights to know what the car in front of them is doing.

The purpose on the tech form is to ensure that a qualified car care professional checks the car to be sure everything is ready to go and in top working condition. We are asking that the driver spend an hour with an individual whose only interest is your safety. If any car has a serious problem on track, it will take track time away from everyone. If the track is closed during your session, everyone scheduled for that session loses. . Track cost is over $400.00 per hour. We don’t want to lose track time. Just as an informational item: supplies used to clean problem are charged back to the club.

As part of the Tech, process before entering the track will be to check lug nuts/blots and to be sure, the belts are install/working as designed. To check helmets and that all lose items are removed from inside the car and truck.

[C4Shane]

Thanks - threw an exalt your way for taking the time to answer. I have no arguement whatsoever with the points you made regarding the inspection. The form was not at all clear regarding who would do this and what is required. After looking it over and also pulling up the Time Trials rules (scca.org) which discusses PDEs, it is pretty clear that I cannot use my autocross car (E-prepared) for this event. The rules state that the event is restricted to cars complying with GCR classes, street legal cars (with current reg/insp from state) and Solo cars conforming to Stock, Street Prepared, Street Modified, & Street touring classes. Cars not prepared to these requirements are not permissible. So, a no-go for me.

[ROADBOY]

I have a few questions and will try to make them simple.

Who can do the safety tech on the cars?

Where can, or will, it be done?

I have an car that meets the regs for street modified but I have non DOT race tires.
Can I use these for the PDE?

[loboracer]

Roadboy:

Based on the car description listed on the botom, I assuming that your driving a 94 Honda. Based on your comment about non-DOT tires, I'm assuming you have full race tires. If these are used for autocrossing, they might be to soft for the race track/PDE, so I would bring a spare set or tires.

As far as the safety tech. If you cann't find anyone, Give Dave Brown a call. See home page for Daves Motorsports. Dave can help you out.

D McCollister

[ROADBOY]

Thanks for you responce loboracer. Yes I drive a now E modified 94 Honda Civic. I have full race tires, Hankook F200's with C90 compound. I have been told by some other people that these tires are better suited for the race track and that the typical autocross track is actually to rough for them. I really don't know.

Regarding the tech inspection, what would be involved? If it's just checking the car for typical safety issues, could I do that? I work at a Goodyear service and repair shop. I have a few cirtifications and can do most work needed to a car.

Any other usfull information would be greatly appreciated. I am spending most of my time now trying to put money together just to make it to this event.

[m3]

pistonwheels said:

1) I would (strongly) suggest you stay at Colony Inn in Camden....

saabstory said:

I'll be staying at the Colony with the registrar!

Ok, you guys convinced me. I just changed my reservations.

[loboracer]

The purpose is safety. Sounds like your in good shape to maybe get one ofyour co-workers to take a minute and double check the car. A second set of eyes can sometimes find something you might miss. Not trying to question your skills, but sometimes it's hard to see the trees for the forest.

D McCollister

[ROADBOY]

Thats true. I will be putting new brakes on the car and flushing the fluid out before the event.

I'm still currious about my tires. Can I use them?

What do you think, loboracer? pistonwheels?

[Rich Little]

CMP is not that hard on Tires.. more on Brakes... unless you are running AUTOX compound tires....

[curlyde]

Does this region have more than one DE a year? Just curious. If so ... will the next DE be at CMP also?

Thanks, Don

[loboracer]

Don:

Unless the attendance picks a bunch more, I don't think if we can afford to put on another. What other track in other region would you like to run?

[curlyde]

I would actually love to attend another session at CMP, but I will just be getting back from my honeymoon that weekend ... I was primarily asking because I would like to attend any future DEs.

I do not have any experience on any other track in this area (Roebling and Road Atlanta are the only ones that seem somewhat close to here). I have been to CMP with the PCA a couple times (going back in May).

To be honest, I have not done any CCR / SCCA events in a few years, but I do love the DE days and assuming scheduling conflicts do not interfere in the future I would like to attend some.

[C4Shane]

Loboracer/Coy - I suspect that part of the problem with registration for this event is that folks are not sure what they can run at the event. I know that if you take the time to download the Time Trial rules from SCCA.org it discusses what is required to attend a HDPE. First of all, any street licensed/registered car is considered suitable (obviously you want to give it a good inspection), along with any autoX car that falls under Stock, Street Prep, Street Mod, Street Touring classes - So that means 75% of our autocross field is legal to run. The ones that don't fit are the true Prepared and Modified cars.

I would encourage any of you who AX and have cars that fit in any of the appropriate categories to run. I have been on the course at events the last two years and, if you haven't done it before, there is nothing like getting to run your AX car at some real speed and on some real corners. Add to it an instructor, who can teach ya a bunch, and it is a great combination. Two full days of this kind of fun should be better than the first two days of your honeymoon (geez I hope TireBuyer doesn't read this...LOL).

I would hate to think we wouldn't be able to do this in the future because of a lack of attendance. Every year it seems as though it falls a little short and it seems that part of the reason is a lack of readily available information or confusion. It is all there if you download the forms. This is an event not to be missed.

[loboracer]

Shane: I think you hit the nail on the head. The PDX are for street or street prepared cars. The only real requirement is that it has two seats and the same seat belt configuration for both driver and instructor. 20 minutes behind the wheel fours times a day can really raise the blood pressure, at least as much as 6 times at 45 sec. The degree on concentration is just as high.

Dick McCollister

[C4Shane]

Dick - I would suggest that you post a new thread in the Solo Forum, and perhaps the General Forum, to discuss this event and some of the details. A lot of folks never wander outside of the one or two forums that interest them and may not be aware of the event. looks like this morning there has been only 55 readers of this item - not all that many considering the numbers on other ones. I would like to see the numbers come up on this event even if I don't get a chance to run it this year. Sheryl and I will be there to work registration as we discussed.

[ffhillclimber]

I have to agree with Shane, it has to be a promotional problem. As we all know the other HPDE events put on by NASA and the various marque clubs fill up in a few days. I'm a member of a 750 member autocross forum (www.autocross.us) up in Tidewater VA and will be running the Track Trials portion of the event. I've taken the liberty of posting the information about the CMP event there, but it needed to be on all the Mid-Atlantic autocross and SCCA region forums a month ago. There is a lot of misunderstanding about the 4 levels of SCCA Time Trials. I really want this program to take off but we have to explain it better and promote it over a larger area. I'm not a member of this region so maybe I'm out of line here but I'm just trying to help.

[loboracer]

A special thanks to Martin:

As a result, of all questions regarding the technical inspections of the cars running the PDX, Dave Brown of Dave Brown Motorsport and Keith Taylor of Taylor's Sport Import Service have both agreed to provide the technical inspection for the PDX cars for $40.00. Give them a call and get your car ready for the PDX.

Dick McCollister



Dick McCollister

[crash477]

Does anyone want to share a hotel room? I need a roomate. lol