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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 19:37:43 GMT -5
Thank you for the opportunity to achieve T=o=P.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 19:38:09 GMT -5
Now go back to your playpen.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 19:44:58 GMT -5
[ This kind of behavior is discouraged. Actually, we call it fun on the CCR board. And this kind of behavior is encouraged. Gives us something to do between autocrosses, you know. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 19:55:43 GMT -5
Yeah you made a point alright, and I think we'll all agree that the event will be better off if you aren't there. Scott I actually don't think you would get a lot of agreement on that. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 19:57:28 GMT -5
You aren't being a part of the solution so that puts a big ole "PROBLEM" right sqaure on you. Scott You need to learn to take joke. Yeah you made a point alright, Scott See...you said it yourself. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 19:58:35 GMT -5
Please, please, please go to Orangeburg. Scott I probably am going to Orangburg....but not at your suggestion. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 20:00:23 GMT -5
Oh, and if you do decide to show up at the last minute to cherry pick a class, let me know in advance so I can snipe it at the last minute and beat you in a lowly G-Stock Celica. Scott Anybody who knows me would know I would never do that.....just for the record. As for you beating me in your lowly G-Stock Celica, I hope you're that good. I enjoy watching good drivers. |
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Post by soloracer on Aug 8, 2006 20:12:24 GMT -5
The same things wrong with the cup is the same thing askew in the proposed manufacturers' championship.
Seems like two fords will take thier class in CCR.No chebbies in one . And i finally feel vindicated by winning our latest auto-x against 3 chevvies. One a road race car on slixx.
and with less cyinder than any of them (4).
So ken and I will be there in a poorly prepared chebbie. But bring your rule books, it IS a C/P car,
No sniveling. We can only do second, but those are points,too. Since when does careful planning and strategy not count? Rules are the same for all.
James
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Post by soloracer on Aug 8, 2006 20:13:50 GMT -5
Now LIGHTEN UP and have fun.
James
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Post by MattP on Aug 8, 2006 21:13:43 GMT -5
I was bored, so I did a little calculating. Based on the current entries for Saturday, this is how things would work out:
Points based on class finishes:
CCR 80 guaranteed, 284 maximum
Highlands 33 guaranteed, 50 maximum
Tarheel 177 guaranteed, 434 maximum
Triad 107 guaranteed, 287 maximum
All clubs may also add up to 55 bonus class category points, except for Highlands which can only add 50 points due to no street mod cars.
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Post by MattP on Aug 8, 2006 21:19:05 GMT -5
Now, if single club classes are ignored for the cup, here are the points:
CCR 40 guaranteed, 244 maximum
Highlands 3 guaranteed, 20 maximum
Tarheel 61 guaranteed, 318 maximum
Triad 22 guaranteed, 202 maximum
Bonus points will remain the same.
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Post by damnyankee on Aug 8, 2006 21:37:37 GMT -5
The same things wrong with the cup is the same thing askew in the proposed manufacturers' championship. Seems like two fords will take thier class in CCR.No chebbies in one . And i finally feel vindicated by winning our latest auto-x against 3 chevvies. One a road race car on slixx. and with less cyinder than any of them (4). So ken and I will be there in a poorly prepared chebbie. But bring your rule books, it IS a C/P car, No sniveling. We can only do second, but those are points,too. Since when does careful planning and strategy not count? Rules are the same for all. James Why can we only do second? |
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Post by MrsVlad on Aug 8, 2006 22:09:20 GMT -5
No sniveling. We can only do second, but those are points,too. Since when does careful planning and strategy not count? Rules are the same for all. James Why can we only do second? Right now, the bucket seat, really is a bucket. 5 gallon. |
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Post by MrsVlad on Aug 8, 2006 22:12:19 GMT -5
I cleaned the real seat today. It's still wet. I have never seen skid marks like that before.
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 22:43:05 GMT -5
I was bored, so I did a little calculating. Based on the current entries for Saturday, this is how things would work out: Points based on class finishes: CCR 80 guaranteed, 284 maximum Highlands 33 guaranteed, 50 maximum Tarheel 177 guaranteed, 434 maximum Triad 107 guaranteed, 287 maximum All clubs may also add up to 55 bonus class category points, except for Highlands which can only add 50 points due to no street mod cars. So what you are saying, Matt, is that I really do need to run DP to put CCR over the Top?  ;D J/K scroll down....... ;D J/K - means just kidding...... For those you out there with absolutely no sense of humor at all. I think Matt is trying to tell us that CCR can't win. So, like soloracer says, "it's askew." Kind a makes you wonder why some guys get their panties in a wad defending certain things. Particularly when they don't need to be defended. But......to borrow an oft used fraze from Pdawg....... I digress. Thanks for the graphic demonstration, Matt. I Exalt you. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 8, 2006 22:44:56 GMT -5
The same things wrong with the cup is the same thing askew in the proposed manufacturers' championship. Seems like two fords will take thier class in CCR.No chebbies in one . And i finally feel vindicated by winning our latest auto-x against 3 chevvies. One a road race car on slixx. and with less cyinder than any of them (4). So ken and I will be there in a poorly prepared chebbie. But bring your rule books, it IS a C/P car, No sniveling. We can only do second, but those are points,too. Since when does careful planning and strategy not count? Rules are the same for all. James Why can we only do second? See the 2 mattp posts. |
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Post by MattP on Aug 8, 2006 22:56:49 GMT -5
I was bored, so I did a little calculating. Based on the current entries for Saturday, this is how things would work out: Points based on class finishes: CCR 80 guaranteed, 284 maximum Highlands 33 guaranteed, 50 maximum Tarheel 177 guaranteed, 434 maximum Triad 107 guaranteed, 287 maximum All clubs may also add up to 55 bonus class category points, except for Highlands which can only add 50 points due to no s a treet mod cars. I think Matt is trying to tell us that CCR can't win. I'm not saying that at all. In fact, if the turnout is different it may be a club other than THSCC that has the advantage. However, I don't like that Highlands would be mathematically eliminated before the competition began with this scoring system. Perhaps not counting single car classes and offering a 100 point bonus for largest number of members at the event could accomplish the same effect as this scoring change without offering the incentive to cherry pick classes. I don't really have a dog in this fight since I'm not a member of any of the NC clubs and won't be attending since I have a family obligation on Sunday, but it seems to me that the continual tinkering with the format of the event is confusing and unnecessary. |
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Post by jbyrd on Aug 9, 2006 6:09:16 GMT -5
I don't really have a dog in this fight since I'm not a member of any of the NC clubs and won't be attending since I have a family obligation on Sunday, but it seems to me that the continual tinkering with the format of the event is confusing and unnecessary. Yes, and that's my point. What Jim Feinburg presented to this forum made perfect sense, and until yesterday, everyone was proceeding with plans based on what we thought to be true. I know someone whom made other plans than to be at NCAC, because that person would have been a one car class at NCAC and couldn't help CCR. That wouldn't win it for CCR, but nonetheless, all the tinkering and changes are confusing. So.....are you telling me not to come to O'burg? ;D |
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Post by Jim Pastorius on Aug 9, 2006 8:05:36 GMT -5
I was bored, so I did a little calculating. Based on the current entries for Saturday, this is how things would work out: Points based on class finishes: CCR 80 guaranteed, 284 maximum Highlands 33 guaranteed, 50 maximum Tarheel 177 guaranteed, 434 maximum Triad 107 guaranteed, 287 maximum All clubs may also add up to 55 bonus class category points, except for Highlands which can only add 50 points due to no street mod cars. That is pretty interesting. Maybe for next year something a little more fair. For example, take the top 50 drivers in PAX. Award the top driver 500 pts and then start subtracting the the difference in PAX results times 10). If the second place driver is .1 behind, they are awarded 499 points.... A format like that would not be baised to turnout or class cherry picking. Dump the final PAX into excel and have the final result in 5 minutes. Flame away.... |
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Post by prancingdawg on Aug 9, 2006 8:15:18 GMT -5
I say just show up and drive, have a few good microbrews in the pm on Satiddy, drive again on Sunday and to he** with the class wars!
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Post by sleeper on Aug 9, 2006 11:17:40 GMT -5
That is pretty interesting. Maybe for next year something a little more fair. For example, take the top 50 drivers in PAX. Award the top driver 500 pts and then start subtracting the the difference in PAX results times 10). If the second place driver is .1 behind, they are awarded 499 points.... A format like that would not be baised to turnout or class cherry picking. Dump the final PAX into excel and have the final result in 5 minutes. Flame away.... I like this idea, especially counting only the top 50 drivers because this would give a small club like Highlands a fighting chance. The only minor issue would be with Tire class participants, since their pax time is not a true indicator (same pax as open cars with R-compounds). Maybe a separate bonus points system could apply in this case. Personally I think we should implement this Club Cup PAX system this year. |
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Post by scottjohnson on Aug 9, 2006 11:57:19 GMT -5
I agree that the Club Cup is a work in progress. I'm not sure why the current changes were made to the original proposal, that would be a question best asked of the club officers privately.
That said, now would also be the time to make suggestions to those same officers about how things could be improved next season. I'd suggest doing that communication in person, by phone or private email, private feedback/questions are often much easier to deal with than those in a public forum. It would also be good to let *next years officers* know the same thing, just in case any decisions made this year don't get communicated to them (yes, it happens).
Scott
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Post by Jim Pastorius on Aug 9, 2006 15:03:16 GMT -5
Here is an example for the NCAC last year. A nice mix of classes in the top 25% of drivers. As for the TIR class issue. Since it is not an SCCA class, I would not count that class towards the Cup. Please do not hold these example as gospel. I guessed on some drivers' club membership and think the PAX is corect for 2005. Plus, I am suppose to be doing real work  |
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Post by prancingdawg on Aug 9, 2006 15:59:48 GMT -5
Say, I think it's cool that we got Pastorious looking at our board! Hello Jim! Water hot enough for ya?  (Jim was a respected nemesis of mine from way back. I don't think I was ever able to catch him when he was driving that teal blue mr2. Believe me I tried!) P  |
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Post by C4Shane on Aug 9, 2006 19:09:15 GMT -5
I think I will just come and drive my old rusty fiesta and if da muffler don't fall off again, I might even get to play all weekend. I'll let someone else figure out all this points junk. PDawg - how about a cold one Sattidy night at the Brewfest after we wear out our tires...LOL...
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Post by soloracer on Aug 9, 2006 19:53:53 GMT -5
Why can we only do second?[/quote]
Shhhhh! ,Ken. We are lulling the ferd into a false sense of security, then we will pounce with our ferocious 90 or so horsepower.
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Post by C4Shane on Aug 9, 2006 19:56:41 GMT -5
90!!!! what!!! can't be....I have the same 2.8 and I bet it ain't even close to that...of course if I fixed the leaking valve and tuned it might help. Well, bring it on at the 24 hours...I'll bring mine - paint and all.
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Post by soloracer on Aug 9, 2006 20:06:34 GMT -5
90!!!! what!!! can't be....I have the same 2.8 and I bet it ain't even close to that...of course if I fixed the leaking valve and tuned it might help. Well, bring it on at the 24 hours...I'll bring mine - paint and all. If Ken and I don't kill it at the NCAC ,will be there. Maybe Ken wants a shot ,too. Hoping Misti will also drive in ladies. James |
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Post by soloracer on Aug 9, 2006 20:08:03 GMT -5
90!!!! what!!! can't be....I have the same 2.8 and I bet it ain't even close to that...of course if I fixed the leaking valve and tuned it might help. Well, bring it on at the 24 hours...I'll bring mine - paint and all. geez you have paint? |
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Post by C4Shane on Aug 9, 2006 20:26:32 GMT -5
if'n you run Ken at the 24 - I'll just have to run colin (heh, heh...nuttin scares that boy!) and if'n ya run Misti..well, i'll have to ..um..run...well...lessee...um..maybe Mrs. Vlad??? I'd run Sheryl, but she positively hates that car and would burn it if i didn't keep it hidden..
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