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Post by integra55 on Apr 15, 2013 9:14:12 GMT -5
Going off on a tangent here, Casino and Adam Schoonmaker were having a conversation yesterday while working corner at the TSCC event about reruns. If there's a course with a loop in it, like we ran yesterday..... you knock a cone down on the first time through.... then have to stop to avoid a worker.... do you get a rerun? One side argued that no, you don't, because you're the one that caused the worker to have to be there, thus it's your fault and no rerun. The other side argued that since you can't point out your own downed cone, the worker shouldn't chase the cone until you've passed it again... thus if they do and they're in the way, it's not your fault and a rerun should be given. What's the ruling there? don't know the actual rule ... but IMO you'd get a re-run ... if the worker was there if the worker can't get to the cone in time ( and get away in time ) then the cone should stay down ... then don't stop .. but you CAN'T run over a worker ... it would be kinda hard to get people to work the course if that was allowed LOL ... 'course one of the biggest problems is workers aren't A: watching/seeing downed cones in time ... B: not RUNNING when they do finally get around to seeing them ... and C: when they do go out to get the cone, not taking the path of most safety after re-setting it ... YOU DON'T HAVE TO RETURN IMMEDIATELY to where you were standing ... sometimes it's a LOT smarter to run to another area ...with the advantage of being able to get to those cones more quickly in the future I really hate to see 5 - 6 workers gather around one worker station, when the cones that are going to get hit are 30 - 40 yds away ... corner captains ... move your people to areas where they A: are safe and B: can get to the cones in a min. amt. of time sorry for the rant in the last half of this post .. but I think it needed saying |
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Post by carolinachill on Apr 15, 2013 9:31:53 GMT -5
One of the best courses I have run, the event was first class and well run. A big thanks to CCR for putting on such a great event. You guys (CCR) should be proud to have an awesome site and use it so well.
Thanks Roy Lowder
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Post by frankenstook on Apr 15, 2013 9:59:01 GMT -5
Garrett's 59.3xx:
My 59.7xx:
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Post by mr2aw16 on Apr 15, 2013 11:45:01 GMT -5
Head a great time. Big thank you to Daniel for riding a lap with me. Big middle finger to that cone in the double kink. G damn cone. Never seen a cone worth a GD... or a forum that needs that either... not hating, just saying...  |
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Post by haywireengineer on Apr 15, 2013 14:47:02 GMT -5
I enjoyed every minute of my first ever solo event. Kudos to all the people who worked so hard to made it happen and veterans that were helpful. Thanks
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Post by W. Dean Furr on Apr 15, 2013 18:03:48 GMT -5
"I really hate to see 5 - 6 workers gather around one worker station, when the cones that are going to get hit are 30 - 40 yds away..." Agreed, Walter. But sometimes there are reasons, and sometimes the distances are not as they seem from a tenth mile away. Trust the experienced corner captains on the scene to take care of their stations and to make sure the course is covered. It's similar to allowing the umps on the field to make the calls, since they are closest to what's happening.
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Post by PinkBimmer on Apr 15, 2013 18:44:14 GMT -5
I enjoyed every minute of my first ever solo event. Kudos to all the people who worked so hard to made it happen and veterans that were helpful. Thanks Glad you enjoyed it and can't wait to see you come back... May 12th at Metrolina and May 27th at CMP |
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Post by integra55 on Apr 15, 2013 18:45:43 GMT -5
funny ... that's not how it seemed watching how far the workers had to run to get to the downed cones at the end of the first "straight" or how far they had to run ( from the same worker group) to get to the downed cones at the first 2 90° corner ... you're right from back at the start line I/we couldn't really tell about those that were a 1/10 of a mile away .... but start had to wait while the workers ran 30+ yds when they could easily have been stationed SAFELY near the cones that needed attention ...
I've worked as corner captain many times, many places ... and I've always broken up the grouping around the light pole and stationed a worker where I felt sure the cones were in the most danger
ask Brian Guinn why the workers at Michelin couldn't get the downed cones in the opening slalom, they were so far away ... they couldn't even hear him yell to them ...and again you're right ... I couldn't see out to the other end of the course .. so those groupings aren't who I'm talking about
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Post by drum3 on Apr 15, 2013 19:11:56 GMT -5
Going off on a tangent here, Casino and Adam Schoonmaker were having a conversation yesterday while working corner at the TSCC event about reruns. If there's a course with a loop in it, like we ran yesterday..... you knock a cone down on the first time through.... then have to stop to avoid a worker.... do you get a rerun? One side argued that no, you don't, because you're the one that caused the worker to have to be there, thus it's your fault and no rerun. The other side argued that since you can't point out your own downed cone, the worker shouldn't chase the cone until you've passed it again... thus if they do and they're in the way, it's not your fault and a rerun should be given. What's the ruling there? You get the rerun ,,the course worker should have left the cone or made sure he could reset it in time. The offending driver didnt make him run out in front of him . |
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Post by yellow CR on Apr 15, 2013 20:44:47 GMT -5
Here is my best run of the day a 64.3
And I agree with you Walter, having 5-6 worker clumped together at a single work station is wrong. With the size of zMax and with a bazillion poles, course worker have a large ammount of safe locations to stand. The runners should have been closer to the cones in the slalom coming back to the finish and the offsets going out to the Big End.
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Post by belcher on Apr 16, 2013 5:46:44 GMT -5
Biggest issue I see is that "newbies" don't know what to do or maybe how to do it. Corner captains need to be more directive.
With this course at Zmax (my first time there) it is fast and spreadout. Having 4 cars on course did not give alot of time to reset cones. Watching Mike's video and seeing how close he was to the car in front near the end of his run (slalom) wouldn't give a lot time to reset a cone let alone a bunch i fthe driver went "Rambo".
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Post by clemsonmz3 on Apr 16, 2013 6:19:41 GMT -5
I had a close encounter with a worker as well. He was just strolling away from a cone the previous driver hit. I wanted to hit the horn, but I kinda needed both hands at the time. I probably should've stopped.
Anyway, had a blast this weekend. Most fun I've had in a while. Mike, awesome course. AJ and other core workers, thanks for putting on a great event as usual!
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Post by chilihead on Apr 16, 2013 8:53:13 GMT -5
Biggest issue I see is that "newbies" don't know what to do or maybe how to do it. Corner captains need to be more directive. With this course at Zmax (my first time there) it is fast and spread out. Having 4 cars on course did not give a lot of time to reset cones. Watching Mike's video and seeing how close he was to the car in front near the end of his run (slalom) wouldn't give a lot time to reset a cone let alone a bunch i fthe driver went "Rambo". I think you and I worked the same corner and I was one of those "newbies". I thought we were pretty spread, so much that I could not hear/yell loud enough to communicate with the Corner Captain. Being only my second event, I would definitely enjoy some additional tips from those around me so I may be able to hold my own. There were times I was wishing a car would not hit a cone because there was no way it was being reset in time for the next car on track(like the car directly in front of the A-mod car). That being said, I had an amazing experience and am very thankful to all those who ensure these events go on. I can't wait for the May event and more learning. -James |
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Post by srduck on Apr 16, 2013 9:19:06 GMT -5
No yelling... hand signals! We do need to go over it again at driver's meeting... but basically....
Hold up a cone.... +1
Wave your hands in front of you like a baseball umpire calling "safe".... no cone call
Hold your hands over your head in an X.... DNF
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Post by CoolGuy094 on Apr 16, 2013 9:31:53 GMT -5
Soooooo....... results?  |
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Post by srduck on Apr 16, 2013 9:40:42 GMT -5
Soooooo....... results? *points at AJ* I thought Cyndi had brought the laptop home and I was going to do it last night, but AJ has it. |
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Post by integra55 on Apr 16, 2013 9:47:21 GMT -5
No yelling... hand signals! We do need to go over it again at driver's meeting... but basically.... Hold up a cone.... +1 Wave your hands in front of you like a baseball umpire calling "safe".... no cone call Hold your hands over your head in an X.... DNF there's always a lot of yapping going on during the drivers meeting ... I'm as guilty as anyone else ... so the hand signals sorta get lost in all that's happening so it maybe needs to be reiterated multiple times .. during the novice walk, ( and when we have large amts. of novice drivers, we might want to break that up into more than 1 "leader" ... the corner captains should probably go over it again before sending the workers off to never-never land ... 'cause at Z-Max and Michelin the workers can/should end up a long way away from the central worker station remember to take water with you when you're sent off ... and captains remember to send water to the outlying workers through out the session those are just some thoughts ... things are so different at the great sites we have now ... when all we had were Knights and Continental, we were never far away from the the cones, so this was never a problem ... ( don't get me wrong .. we were thankful for those sites .. just they were a bit smaller  ) |
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Post by chilihead on Apr 16, 2013 10:29:02 GMT -5
No yelling... hand signals! We do need to go over it again at driver's meeting... but basically.... Hold up a cone.... +1 Wave your hands in front of you like a baseball umpire calling "safe".... no cone call Hold your hands over your head in an X.... DNF Gotcha. I was near the end of our little section. A few times he was already tracking the next car through the beginning (and turned in the other direction). |
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Post by Frodo on Apr 16, 2013 10:49:59 GMT -5
Any pics from the event?
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Post by belcher on Apr 16, 2013 12:26:40 GMT -5
No yelling... hand signals! We do need to go over it again at driver's meeting... but basically.... Hold up a cone.... +1 Wave your hands in front of you like a baseball umpire calling "safe".... no cone call Hold your hands over your head in an X.... DNF Doesn't help if the corner captain is not watching over his people. Had to get his attention some way and yelling was it. Then hand signals. |
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Post by srduck on Apr 16, 2013 12:36:12 GMT -5
No yelling... hand signals! We do need to go over it again at driver's meeting... but basically.... Hold up a cone.... +1 Wave your hands in front of you like a baseball umpire calling "safe".... no cone call Hold your hands over your head in an X.... DNF Doesn't help if the corner captain is not watching over his people. Had to get his attention some way and yelling was it. Then hand signals. Ahh... gotcha. Unfortunately remote control shock collars aren't in the budget for this season |
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Post by cr89x on Apr 16, 2013 15:45:51 GMT -5
Great event indeed! Glad to hear so much positive feedback! Along with otherwise. I believe this is the best solo event CCR has put on since Mike and I took over the program. We had some odd problems in the beginning, but got them fixed as quickly as possible. Then the rest of the event seemed to go without a hiccup. Very proud of everyone! Mike, Mike, Chris, Josh, Josh, Cyndi, Steven, TRAVIS, AMY, Michael, Andy, Nancy. It takes the entire village! Real quick. If a DNF occurs before any stoppage on course, no re run (down cone, red flag, course worker) you had your shot, so to say. You can not point out a cone you knocked down to get a re run. I score in the crossover scenario, if you stop for a worker you get re run. Safety first! Walter, well said! We all continue to harp on this spreading out point. ZMax is a lot of ground to cover. WE as a whole need to work together on this. My full time job frowns upon me socializing when I should be focused on turning wrenches. That's really the kind of mindset that should be taken while working a course. It is dangerous out there! Ultimately the corner captains are responsible for their workers spreading out. Visit the timing trailer sometime and see how hectic it can get You'd be amazed that there are many timing complaints, and you'd have a better appreciation of when timing issues do occur. Driving is rush, working in the trailer is nuts! We have a strong group that works in there. We could use more to give them a break from time to time. Great great great event. Thank you all for coming out! It always seems like too long until the next one. Results will be up shortly. I audited them last night, lots of non workers, but Internet connection sucked where I was. |
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Post by cr89x on Apr 16, 2013 15:46:43 GMT -5
Doesn't help if the corner captain is not watching over his people. Had to get his attention some way and yelling was it. Then hand signals. Ahh... gotcha. Unfortunately remote control shock collars aren't in the budget for this season Hmm .... I may need to re work the budget .... |
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Post by chilihead on Apr 16, 2013 17:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by ukfpilot on Apr 16, 2013 18:01:40 GMT -5
ZMax was the first event that I have run with CCR and I can't even begin to say what a great course it was. I have been running with Triad for about 4 years now, so I am not a newbie, but we don't have anything like that. You guys put on a great event on a superb course. Thanks. I will be back.
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Post by cr89x on Apr 16, 2013 18:53:48 GMT -5
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Post by toilets on Apr 16, 2013 19:07:20 GMT -5
YIPPEE!! My first time being on the "top times of the day" board. Sweet sauce, I guess my car really did like that course!
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Post by zerocool on Apr 16, 2013 21:34:17 GMT -5
This was my first time and I had blast. I did a ride allow which was great, and the the starter was very helpful. Can't wait for next month!
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Post by CoolGuy094 on Apr 16, 2013 21:50:43 GMT -5
YIPPEE!! My first time being on the "top times of the day" board. Sweet sauce, I guess my car really did like that course! Oh cool, I made the list too! Congrats! My first time there as well, mainly thanks to Adam Schoonmaker's great instruction. |
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Post by rxmadness on Apr 16, 2013 23:35:09 GMT -5
Had a blast at this event, course was fast and easy to read. I think I'll bring some binoculars for spectating next time. thanks to everyone who put this together.
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